Southport Killings

[BaggieSingh]

Anything these guys have in common? Lee Rigby, other loony stabbings (not gang related)
Wonder if Regis or Omeg have a clue?

Mental illness plays a part, but if your constantly told you are the right way and everyone else is below you or subhuman these things happen

[mickd1961]

If they bring out the mental health card on this one there will be uproar.

This class where the kids were wasn’t visible from the street or clearly advertised, it was in a room at the upper rear of a building hidden away.

This is targeted, the piece of excrement knew exactly what he was doing, he’d planned this.

This is a psychopath or a zealot or both.

I hope he gets beaten to death in prison after being tortured first.

[westcountryvillain]

Clearly a planned and premeditated attack on a group of defenceless kids, you can blame the parents all you like but with unfettered access to the net how exactly are Mum & Dad meant to prevent it. Cannot police content every minute and kids are savvy enough to find ways around preventative measures - the whole situation is utterly heartbreaking, social media can be a force for good but equally or perhaps worse does it dehumanise?

Who knows what the story is, kids become radicalised in the own bedrooms - at least that filth Anjum Choudary is now locked up for life, something the legal system has done right for a change.

[regis80]

Anything these guys have in common? Lee Rigby, other loony stabbings (not gang related)
Wonder if Regis or Omeg have a clue?

Mental illness plays a part, but if your constantly told you are the right way and everyone else is below you or subhuman these things happen

Clearly living upto the ‘opportunist’ type again, because all sikhs are saints. Well BS I will call you out on your BS. To come on here to give your ‘told you, gotcha’ moment when some ethnic minority commits an abhorrent crime killing kids, when we should all be thinking of the families and communities that are suffering is sick. I think you know what you’re doing.

FFS, growing up as a **** in west brom I was beaten up, mugged, chased, threatened by blacks, pakistanis and indians. I did not live the rest of my life blaming their religions for those crimes. Thugs will always be thugs and if you’re from a low class background degenerate then you’re likely to do harm. Perhaps we ought to class you as BaggieSingh EDL, as you seem to have a common rhetoric.

For the record, (and I agree with Al on this) is that this person should be deported and his parents face action for this crime. We need to send the message out.

The guy who killed so many in Plymouth few years, did you blame his religion?
I have not read all the facts of Southport so I can’t comment too much. But you baggiesingh act like your religion makes you a saint. Like all religions, let’s be honest it’s a load BS. Wearing turbans, muslims wearing hats, Jesus pieces.. all of it bull****. All sikhs should live the british way of life and not build these gudwaras, and muslims should not build these mosques no in the UK. This is Britain, not south asia!
People can believe what they want. I’m agnostic/atheist, people can do what they want but don’t f king stir up trouble.

[BaggieSingh]

Clearly living upto the ‘opportunist’ type again, because all sikhs are saints. Well BS I will call you out on your BS. To come on here to give your ‘told you, gotcha’ moment when some ethnic minority commits an abhorrent crime killing kids, when we should all be thinking of the families and communities that are suffering is sick. I think you know what you’re doing.

FFS, growing up as a **** in west brom I was beaten up, mugged, chased, threatened by blacks, pakistanis and indians. I did not live the rest of my life blaming their religions for those crimes. Thugs will always be thugs and if you’re from a low class background degenerate then you’re likely to do harm. Perhaps we ought to class you as BaggieSingh EDL, as you seem to have a common rhetoric.

For the record, (and I agree with Al on this) is that this person should be deported and his parents face action for this crime. We need to send the message out.

The guy who killed so many in Plymouth few years, did you blame his religion?
I have not read all the facts of Southport so I can’t comment too much. But you baggiesingh act like your religion makes you a saint. Like all religions, let’s be honest it’s a load BS. Wearing turbans, muslims wearing hats, Jesus pieces.. all of it bull****. All sikhs should live the british way of life and not build these gudwaras, and muslims should not build these mosques no in the UK. This is Britain, not south asia!
People can believe what they want. I’m agnostic/atheist, people can do what they want but don’t f king stir up trouble.

Don't get it do ya?

I'm not saying anyone is perfect at all, inc Sikhs, but I do know that most cultures try to be reasonable, but I can see new immigrants inc Sikhs coming over that don't have the same values and respect for law and order or fairness that previous generations did.

Play the numbers there are a certain group that get away with things because decent people don't realise or think people can behave a certain decent way, they justify it by believe everyone else to be sub human.

I do not hate anyone, but I am capable of seeing the truth and what is really going on, I know there are many Muslims who are great people, but I also know they stay very quiet, when Muslims are killing Muslims somewhere in the world there are no protests or millions in the street
The minute anyone else does countries around the globe are blocked up with Muslims asking their countries leaders to do something while they continue to not even try and assimilate into the countries culture at all, by behaving in a decent way and being fair, but rather take advantage of the fact that decent people feel empathy and try and help, now if you thought the other group was beneath you or subhuman you wouldn't feel empathy and not give a cra p about them

But this doesn't mean they cannot build places of worship, that's mental. Why is that an issue if they can be fair and respectful which is what they should be. There are plenty of churches in India, and I agree with a secular society not the crazy pro Hindu apartheid that India is becoming.

And I can also see areas in the UK where being a certain group are trying to posh their agenda over everyone else at all costs and that's not right.
Rules should be for everyone and only people who think they are better than others and deserve the right to not adhere to laws will continue to break them and feel it justified

[BaggieSingh]

@regis I think the trap ur falling into is the one highlighted, where u think you can't generalise and say this and that, even though the evidence points to the fact that a group (may not be the majority) are behaving in a way that they feel they are above laws and justified to rape and kill (look at the grooming gangs they weren't Asian men they were Muslim)

[BaggieSingh]

Clearly living upto the ‘opportunist’ type again, because all sikhs are saints. Well BS I will call you out on your BS. To come on here to give your ‘told you, gotcha’ moment when some ethnic minority commits an abhorrent crime killing kids, when we should all be thinking of the families and communities that are suffering is sick. I think you know what you’re doing.

FFS, growing up as a **** in west brom I was beaten up, mugged, chased, threatened by blacks, pakistanis and indians. I did not live the rest of my life blaming their religions for those crimes. Thugs will always be thugs and if you’re from a low class background degenerate then you’re likely to do harm. Perhaps we ought to class you as BaggieSingh EDL, as you seem to have a common rhetoric.

For the record, (and I agree with Al on this) is that this person should be deported and his parents face action for this crime. We need to send the message out.

The guy who killed so many in Plymouth few years, did you blame his religion?
I have not read all the facts of Southport so I can’t comment too much. But you baggiesingh act like your religion makes you a saint. Like all religions, let’s be honest it’s a load BS. Wearing turbans, muslims wearing hats, Jesus pieces.. all of it bull****. All sikhs should live the british way of life and not build these gudwaras, and muslims should not build these mosques no in the UK. This is Britain, not south asia!
People can believe what they want. I’m agnostic/atheist, people can do what they want but don’t f king stir up trouble.

Also I think you are way more EDL than me, I want a secular society where all can do what they like but respect each other, (inc wear what they want & pray where they want)

you want everyone to be "live the British way" which is something that's fluid and changes, just think how much the British way has changed, I remember when I was little lots of people saying Indian food stank and was disgusting same with garlic but now it's one of the most popular cuisines. The British way is to live with each other and respect one another in my books and that respect should be reciprocated not abused

[regis80]

@regis I think the trap ur falling into is the one highlighted, where u think you can't generalise and say this and that, even though the evidence points to the fact that a group (may not be the majority) are behaving in a way that they feel they are above laws and justified to rape and kill (look at the grooming gangs they weren't Asian men they were Muslim)

I think they are asian. Anyone who has the mindset to rape is not thinking their religion permits them to do it and be sub human to cause suffering, i’m pretty sure they’d do it anyway. The indian gang rape? what do we blame that on? If you want to say a high percentage of pakistanis in the UK are abhorrent individuals, then i might agree with you there. Just look at the airport incident. A lot up north can be like that, i’ve experienced bad dealings with them myself. But I also know good people of that group. A religion may be strict in such a way to treat women bad.. those were the times back centuries ago - you could argue.

[regis80]

Not all sikhs are saints and this coming from
someone who has praised sikhs on this forum before, and to some extent still do. A headmaster in our school was a sikh, and my maths teacher who influenced my career was sikh. My sister dated a sikh for 6 odd years only for his mom influence the bf to break up and he turned religious. A lot of my friends are sikhs, so from that I can’t tell you when I see a certain sikh individual trying to score points/being opportunistic. I stand by what I say about asians in the UK - they need to integrate a lot more than they have. sadly it’s what you see at face value that leaves a first impression. What are blacks accepted more than asians in the UK? (not including kettering here).

[kettering_baggie]

Not all sikhs are saints and this coming from
someone who has praised sikhs on this forum before, and to some extent still do. A headmaster in our school was a sikh, and my maths teacher who influenced my career was sikh. My sister dated a sikh for 6 odd years only for his mom influence the bf to break up and he turned religious. A lot of my friends are sikhs, so from that I can’t tell you when I see a certain sikh individual trying to score points/being opportunistic. I stand by what I say about asians in the UK - they need to integrate a lot more than they have. sadly it’s what you see at face value that leaves a first impression. What are blacks accepted more than asians in the UK? (not including kettering here).

I do not believe that this issue is any different in Kettering than anywhere else, or were you suggesting something else? Surely not!