Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

TTR I think you need to take a breath

[swaledale]

So we get a picture of who has been spreading deliberate disinformation across social media, mostly comfortably off, middle class types who are nowhere near the action.

We get a picture of whose being convicted for taking part, the sort of people that some on hear would castigate for living a life on benefits whilst working cash in hand. Some fools who saw what was happening on social media and travelled miles to join in cos they thought it would be a riot (which it was).

Some thugs in football shirts who many of us have seen at football matches causing trouble, no more concerned protesters than they are football fans.

Many from areas where the proportion of immigrants living there is very low, so can hardly blame the lack of housing, problems seeing a DR, of NHS waiting lists etc. on immigration, though of course they do. Aided and abetted of course by a Tory government that blames immigrants and Asylum seekers to distract the thick from the fact that it has been their deliberate neglect and mismanagement that has led to services being oversubscribed and poor.

Ignorant idiots like our resident spreader of conspiracy theories and fake news who don't seem to question how the life styles of people like Farage etc. who incite this behaviour by their deliberately ill chosen words are funded.

Funny how they never riot and attack the Police when its a Police officer who commits heinous crimes against women, or when a white man commits multiple murders of women or children isn't it?

The simple fact is this - most people who call themselves working class aren't racist and aren't bigoted, in the same way most football fans aren't mindless hooligans - indeed it was found that the instigators of football hooliganism were in fact people with professional jobs.

That the race or ethnicity of a person who commits atrocities like this is generally irrelevant, however their mental state and other factors are. There is of course an exception for terrorists, but there has been no shortage of white people committing terrorist atrocities in both the distant and recent past, so race is no indication of a tendency to commit violent acts.

So what exactly is the reason that certain billionaires and some politicians are deliberately infecting peoples minds with the immigrant issue?

Why is our resident idiot so obsessed with a variety of conspiracy theories from immigration to the EU and repeats them, refusing to accept, even when shown clearly to be wrong? I mean he pops over to Thailand on a regular basis, presumably to get a new girlfriend when the existing one leaves him after finding out what a racist **** he is. So is clearly not one of life's down trodden poor.

Yes there are clear issues of inequality, deprivation, lack of educational attainment, lack of investment in jobs, deindustrialisation that require addressing. Very few of those instigating these riots have any interest in resolving these issues.

Immigration is not the main cause of these issues as is obvious to any person capable of rational thought.

[MadAmster]

Swale, when you mentioned Farage and the source(s) of his funding you appear to have forgotten to wonder where Tommy Ten Names gets his funding.

We know he's currently in Cyprus staying in a €400 a night hotel. How is he funding that? There are those around who believe it's the right wing billionaires...

There were also reports, and I don't know if they are true or false, that he's up in Court again and decided to do a runner to France, where he asked for asylum. I fully admit I have no idea of how true this is, apart that is from his being up before the beak again, but it did make me laugh.

[ramAnag]

TTR I think you need to take a breath

He needs to take something…Diazepam perhaps!

He also needs to look at his own postings and recognise the upswing in far right thuggery as moving towards the top of the terrorist threat ‘charts’.

[Andy_Faber]

He needs to take something…Diazepam perhaps!

He also needs to look at his own postings and recognise the upswing in far right thuggery as moving towards the top of the terrorist threat ‘charts’.

What’s at the top rA?

[ramAnag]

What’s at the top rA?

Extreme Islamists…as I suspect you know…and not unreasonably in all the circumstances of the last few years, but then that’s the point. Those who believe in Islam are not likely to be extremists any more than Catholics are likely to be *****philes…those who belong to the far right are.

You and I are both opposed to extremism…it’s our definition of it that differs…and the fact is that at the bottom of TTR’s YouGov attachment is another graph, which he perhaps hadn’t noticed, clearly showing the exponential rise this year of right wing extremism as an identified form of terrorism.

[Geoff Parkstone]

"Those who believe in Islam are not likely to be extremists any more than Catholics are likely to be *****philes…those who belong to the far right are."

So that's about 50% then 😀

But I believe your analogy is flawed. You are comparing entire religions on the one hand with a minority element of a political preference (eg "conservative").

If you wish to say members of the far right are terrorists you should compare to members of Isis being terrorists.

[Geoff Parkstone]

But in all honesty comparing a bunch of thugs and looters with terrorists is a bit of an insult to terrorists. Those who Planned 9-11 have greater intellectual prowess

[Andy_Faber]

Those who believe in Islam are not likely to be extremists any more than Catholics are likely to be *****philes…

Id LOVE to see the stats that back that up! U.K. or worldwide would be fine…

I also find your repeated singling out of Catholics a bit strange and I don’t say that as a Christian

[ramAnag]

"Those who believe in Islam are not likely to be extremists any more than Catholics are likely to be *****philes…those who belong to the far right are."

So that's about 50% then 😀

But I believe your analogy is flawed. You are comparing entire religions on the one hand with a minority element of a political preference (eg "conservative").

If you wish to say members of the far right are terrorists you should compare to members of Isis being terrorists.

No it isn’t. That’s just made up nonsense from someone who knows better.

It wasn’t my comparison, it was YouGov’s…but I agree with your point…people generally fear ISIS, rather than Muslims, and the EDL etc rather than ‘conservatives’.