Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

I’ve worked out where you get your strange phraseology and constant Nazi references from - youre just lifting them from the words and activist tactics of someone else! That’s just plagiarism in another form! No I’m not naming names you already know of course. Try to be original, I’m sure that unlike the dim, thick and foolish amongst us you have it in you.

Have you indeed? Constant Nazi references? Mm occasional but then perhaps your counting system is different to mine, but the so is your perception, of 1. reality, 2. facts and 3. What constitutes plagiarism.

I mean you post a German phrase, I responded with a elated comment, not had to figure out why really!

Oh please do name names, because I'm waiting with baited breath for you to enlighten me!

[swaledale]

Like shooting fish in a barrel

Yes I do feel its rather easy to demolish your rather pathetic attempts to appear clever, do try harder old chap.

[ramAnag]

I don't know, where's your poof that they don't?

Being serious, of course 'most people' don't have second jobs because 'most' would include the retired and those who are unemployed by choice or otherwise. A quick poll amongst my neighbours suggests NONE of the people have second jobs, in fact as they are all retired none of them (apart from Mrs F and I) have any income apart from pensions. However, looking down my facebook messenger feed the top eleven people have two jobs/revenue streams/side hustles/call them what you will - Horse racing journalist/ad sales chaser, special needs teacher/music journalist, musician/truck driver, magazine publisher/e-bike seller, CO-OP store employee/old person carer, I won't bore you with the whole. List. Of the list, one does two jobs to make ends meet, the rest do so because they can, AND as far as I can see they don't let one job impact on the other, AND just to cover any criticism of depriving others of income, as far as I can see again, their second jobs/side hustles were worked up by them to fill a market gap and/or they don't offer an income that would suffice on its own.

The 'living in the past' comment is valid though because you seem unaware of the increasing number of younger people have second jobs/ second sources of income/'side hustles', and despite me being 'one of them' even I'm bamboozled by the variety of such activities amongst the ****/twenties/thirties who are the offspring of my family and friendship groups.

Right…so now it’s, ‘of course most people don’t have second jobs’…thank you. Nearest you’ve ever got to conceding you were completely in the wrong.

Interesting you should use the phrase ‘side hustle’ as that’s exactly the wording I’ve come across which suggests that 1 in 4 of the working population of the UK has such a sideline which the Henley Business School defines as ‘a small business or secondary job in addition to their main career’.

That suggests that 75% of the working population don’t have second jobs or ‘side hustles’ which makes your ‘most’ claim look particularly foolish…and as you seem to wish to trade anecdotes about ‘younger people’…being a little older than you doesn’t preclude me from having an awareness of the predicament of younger people including my own four children and their four partners who are all in full employment and all have just the one job.

[Andy_Faber]

Right…so now it’s, ‘of course most people don’t have second jobs’…thank you. Nearest you’ve ever got to conceding you were completely in the wrong.

Interesting you should use the phrase ‘side hustle’ as that’s exactly the wording I’ve come across which suggests that 1 in 4 of the working population of the UK has such a sideline which the Henley Business School defines as ‘a small business or secondary job in addition to their main career’.

That suggests that 75% of the working population don’t have second jobs or ‘side hustles’ which makes your ‘most’ claim look particularly foolish…and as you seem to wish to trade anecdotes about ‘younger people’…being a little older than you doesn’t preclude me from having an awareness of the predicament of younger people including my own four children and their four partners who are all in full employment and all have just the one job.

Sorry your maths is wrong. Side hustle = side hustle, it doesn't = second job or side hustle + second job. Henley are right, you're wrong. 'O' level stuff...

[Geoff Parkstone]

Late to the debate here but I thought most teachers had second jobs - to give the something to do / earn from in the long summers. That was certainly the case in the school I was governor in because it was something the governors debated when pay related issues arose (albeit the school didn't set those scales)

[ramAnag]

Honestly…have you two lost the plot?

AF first…you introduced the term ‘side hustle’ and I actually quoted Henley who describe the term as meaning, ‘a small business or SECONDARY JOB in addition to their main career’. How am I wrong?

GP…I spent six years as a school governor and…other than serious wrongdoing or behaviour/condition which prevents a staff member from fulfilling their professional responsibilities…I can’t imagine any circumstances where school governors would have been allowed to discuss individual staff members’ private lives least of all in relation to pay.

[Trickytreesreds]

I don't think I know a single person with a 2nd job.

Of course my small circle of friends and family won't be representative either.

Of course i expect lots of people do have 2nd jobs, mostly to top up an inadequate income. However I would expect that 2nd job not to interfere with their 1st.

Do Farages side jobs interfere with his 1st, assuming his 1st is considered to be his job as an MP? It's early to tell especially as MPs are in their summer holidays right now.

My gut instinct is he will be a terrible MP for Clacton but I accept my personal opinion of him is clouding my judgement.

If he does a great job as MP for Clacton, makes himself available for constituents and prioritizes it over all else then if he does other work I don't see an issue.

I personally think he will bore of it quickly, I would be very surprised to see him see out all 5 years in the role.

Whilst I find the witch hunt of Farage hilarious. Most of his so called earnings were outside being elected an MP.
But seeing as the topic is raised, I don't agree with any MP having a second job.

However, perhaps having MP's and governent front benches. firmly in Unions back pockets needs looking at as well
How can it be fair and not open to question, when someone is lining your pockets with silver to represent them?
No coincidence, that pensioners are being punished and Unions pacified.

Ms Long-Bailey, who finished second to Keir Starmer in the 2020 Labour leadership election, declared the most of Greater Manchester's 27 MPs. The Salford and Eccles MP received donations and a gift worth a total of £406,800, including £249,300 from the Unite trade union and £76,830 from left-wing political organisation Momentum.

That puts her in the top two per cent of all MPs with only 10 other members having taken in more money than her. Angela Rayner, Labour's deputy leader and MP for Ashton-under-Lyne, declared financial interests worth £300,200, the vast majority of which were donations from trade unions.

Wigan MP Lisa Nandy, Shadow Secretary of State for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, is also in the top 20 for MPs' earnings. She has declared financial interests worth £286,700, again, the vast majority of which were donations from trade unions.

Mmmmmm call me suspicious , but I suspect bias in policy decisions here

[Geoff Parkstone]

Honestly…have you two lost the plot?

AF first…you introduced the term ‘side hustle’ and I actually quoted Henley who describe the term as meaning, ‘a small business or SECONDARY JOB in addition to their main career’. How am I wrong?

GP…I spent six years as a school governor and…other than serious wrongdoing or behaviour/condition which prevents a staff member from fulfilling their professional responsibilities…I can’t imagine any circumstances where school governors would have been allowed to discuss individual staff members’ private lives least of all in relation to pay.

Well it was....this was a small primary school whereas I'm guessing you governed a larger secondary school? Don't know if that makes a difference.

IIRC (and it was maybe 20 years ago) the context was setting up holiday clubs across summer and looking for teachers (and TA's) to run them as "extra hours". Most had other work commitments.

But in general as chair of finance, salaries was maybe the biggest discussion points as it was a huge %age of revenue

[swaledale]

Whilst I find the witch hunt of Farage hilarious. Most of his so called earnings were outside being elected an MP.
But seeing as the topic is raised, I don't agree with any MP having a second job.

However, perhaps having MP's and governent front benches. firmly in Unions back pockets needs looking at as well
How can it be fair and not open to question, when someone is lining your pockets with silver to represent them?
No coincidence, that pensioners are being punished and Unions pacified.

Ms Long-Bailey, who finished second to Keir Starmer in the 2020 Labour leadership election, declared the most of Greater Manchester's 27 MPs. The Salford and Eccles MP received donations and a gift worth a total of £406,800, including £249,300 from the Unite trade union and £76,830 from left-wing political organisation Momentum.

That puts her in the top two per cent of all MPs with only 10 other members having taken in more money than her. Angela Rayner, Labour's deputy leader and MP for Ashton-under-Lyne, declared financial interests worth £300,200, the vast majority of which were donations from trade unions.

Wigan MP Lisa Nandy, Shadow Secretary of State for Levelling Up, Housing and Communities, is also in the top 20 for MPs' earnings. She has declared financial interests worth £286,700, again, the vast majority of which were donations from trade unions.

Mmmmmm call me suspicious , but I suspect bias in policy decisions here

Mm so Farage isn't still a presenter on GBNews or GBeebies as sentient folk refer to it?

Your missing the point as always - witch-hunt of Farage my arse, but if you are stupid enough to think somebody funded by billionaires is truly working in the interests of yourself or the dumb asses who voted for Reform, then you really are stupider than you appear, which I honestly didn't think was possible. Kind of like the Clacton voter interviewed on the media who blamed immigration on everything from the state of the NHS to lack of housing, only to look surprised when advised that actually in Clacton the majority of the population is white, so those issues weren't down to migrants

So shock horror, Labour is partly funded by trade unions, thats kind of the point of the Labour party! I might add that those who denigrate unions conveniently forget that most of the rights enjoyed by workers today were achieved by unions, but hey selective amnesia and ignoring reality is kind of your speciality.

**** me please come back when you have got something worthwhile reading, which will be never!

Toodle pip!

[swaledale]

Honestly…have you two lost the plot?

AF first…you introduced the term ‘side hustle’ and I actually quoted Henley who describe the term as meaning, ‘a small business or SECONDARY JOB in addition to their main career’. How am I wrong?

GP…I spent six years as a school governor and…other than serious wrongdoing or behaviour/condition which prevents a staff member from fulfilling their professional responsibilities…I can’t imagine any circumstances where school governors would have been allowed to discuss individual staff members’ private lives least of all in relation to pay.

Who would ahve thought that a simple factual post about where "our Nige" got his money from and how much, would result in GP and AF ignoring the point and trying and failing miserably to make it about me lifting a set of figures from one article? I mean I could ahve lifted them from the public parliamentary record I guess, but what the difference would be I don't really know.

I can also add a complete failure on AF's part to understand what 1 in 4 means!! Accountants eh? I always did have the idea that they were part of the problem in todays world and we are seeing that problem writ large on this forum.

Ah well its given me a laugh at how desperate some are to attack me rather than the point I make, which is further hypocrisy on AF's part.