Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

I think Richard is just trying to keep an ‘on the bubble’ issue in the public eye. He is indeed factually incorrect but the but the minority is a large one and who knows when the next incident might arise which moves the dial

As with Farage and his turn the NHS into an insurance system, its an agenda driven by those billionaires who are pushing for deregulation and the stripping back of protections so that there are opportunities for more profitable exploitation of the populace. Tice is an idiot, listen to what he says for 5 mins and no sentient person believes he has anything useful to say.

Its only an issue in the eyes of a few right wing zealots, plus a few idiots in the Tory party who are still banging on about a "foreign" court not allowing the Uk government to break international law.

Otherwise, the only people who even think that leaving the ECHR, are those who frankly haven't a clue what it does, why it was constituted or how it provides protection for their human rights. The thing about international law, is that whilst as with any law or regulation, it might appear inconvenient, if a country starts to decide what is or isn't convenient legally, then that country is on a slippery slope to authoritarianism. Even with the ECHR, there are still areas where the UK and others slip beyond what is acceptable.

What incident may arise that would justify leaving the ECHR? Most people in this country aren't that stupid fortunately.

[Andy_Faber]

What incident may arise that would justify leaving the ECHR?

That wasn't the point I was making. Public opinion, be it well-informed or not, on EHCR is not far off split down the middle (as with most things these days), and a clear and obvious (to the public) use of the courts powers to what is perceived as the detriment of UK could move sentiment towards the 'leave EHCR' POV. I'm sure its not on the labour agenda to contemplate it, but its on Reform and Conservative minds from what I can see. So, keeping it in the public eye is tactically smart, in case it is useful as a tool to entice voters at election time

[swaledale]

That wasn't the point I was making. Public opinion, be it well-informed or not, on EHCR is not far off split down the middle (as with most things these days), and a clear and obvious (to the public) use of the courts powers to what is perceived as the detriment of UK could move sentiment towards the 'leave EHCR' POV. I'm sure its not on the labour agenda to contemplate it, but its on Reform and Conservative minds from what I can see. So, keeping it in the public eye is tactically smart, in case it is useful as a tool to entice voters at election time

Not really sure how 57% against, 21% don't know and 22% for translates into a public view on the ECHR being split down the middle!

Its on Reform's agenda, precisely because their modus operandi is to try and push these right wing agendas to influence public views on such matters. The fact that they do this by a range of tactics from being deliberately misleading, to outright lies is something that is a cause for concern.

Its on some Conservative minds, because it seems many currently in the party haven't learnt anything from their recent defeat and still believe they lost because they weren't sufficiently right wing enough.

I do hope they continue along this path, because it will ensure that there is little chance of the Conservatives being elected in the near future.

The best thing that has happened is the election of Reform MP's, because it will soon become apparent that non of them have any appetite for the work of an MP and Reform doesn't ahve the organisation to be able to deal with constituents issues.

[Andy_Faber]

Its on Reform's agenda, precisely because their modus operandi is to try and push these right wing agendas to influence public views on such matters. Its on some Conservative minds, because it seems many currently in the party still believe they lost because they weren't sufficiently right wing enough.

That's probably correct, in fact that's what I was saying without saying 'right wing', which is becoming a bit of a rallying call for the disaffected, the opposite, to use one of your favourite phrases, of a 'dog whistle'.

[MadAmster]

That's probably correct, in fact that's what I was saying without saying 'right wing', which is becoming a bit of a rallying call for the disaffected, the opposite, to use one of your favourite phrases, of a 'dog whistle'.

I can think of many, much better, epithets than "right wing"... most of which wouldn't get past the swear filter