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    Quote Originally Posted by Back of the net View Post
    Kier Stalin has refused to rule out scrapping bus passes for the OAP.
    Why doesn’t he just line everyone up over a certain age and shoot the ones who he thinks are a drain on the finances.
    It’s not like the are an easy target is it.
    Meanwhile to keep the union bosses happy he awards vast pay rises for some public sector workers.
    It’s almost like he’s not got the best interest of pensioners at heart.
    It’s a good job he didn’t in the past talk about a pensioner who had to ride the buss to keep warm.
    That poor lady soon won’t even be able to afford to ride the bus.
    I notice our local MPs all voted to scrap the winter fuel payments.
    But but but they do care about local people and needs.
    Just a couple of flaws in that post , firstly the pay rises appear vastly because they were awarded in a catch up type basis , if the pay had kept in line with inflation etc over the last decade there wouldn't have been the need to award the figure the government did last month .

    https://bbc.com/news/business-64944262


    Secondly whilst the removal of the WFA for pensioners is a pretty ill conceived policy given the amount the government will save against the political backlash it's receiving , however pensioners on the whole have had their incomes pretty much protected for a significant number of years as well they should .

    Incidentally my wife works for Barnsley MBC , she works for less money than she did 14 years ago , a lot less .

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    Quote Originally Posted by animallittle3 View Post
    Just a couple of flaws in that post , firstly the pay rises appear vastly because they were awarded in a catch up type basis , if the pay had kept in line with inflation etc over the last decade there wouldn't have been the need to award the figure the government did last month .

    https://bbc.com/news/business-64944262


    Secondly whilst the removal of the WFA for pensioners is a pretty ill conceived policy given the amount the government will save against the political backlash it's receiving , however pensioners on the whole have had their incomes pretty much protected for a significant number of years as well they should .

    Incidentally my wife works for Barnsley MBC , she works for less money than she did 14 years ago , a lot less .
    I get the pay rises were overdue and I understand that in some peoples opinion they deserve it.
    But I stand by my point it’s a choice to satisfy the unions whilst ****ting on the pensioners.
    They have made it abundantly clear who their paymasters are and who they prioritise.
    Also they were clear in their view when the tories were in charge about their stance on the winter fuel payments.
    It’s easy to be vocal when you are in opposition but in reality you are as deceitful or actually more than the last lot.
    Lying Champaign socialists.
    Remember the promise that we will tackle the energy companies and hold them to account if they try and put energy prices up.
    Yep more lying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by animallittle3 View Post
    Just a couple of flaws in that post , firstly the pay rises appear vastly because they were awarded in a catch up type basis , if the pay had kept in line with inflation etc over the last decade there wouldn't have been the need to award the figure the government did last month .

    https://bbc.com/news/business-64944262


    Secondly whilst the removal of the WFA for pensioners is a pretty ill conceived policy given the amount the government will save against the political backlash it's receiving , however pensioners on the whole have had their incomes pretty much protected for a significant number of years as well they should .

    Incidentally my wife works for Barnsley MBC , she works for less money than she did 14 years ago , a lot less .
    Isn't Barnsley MBC in a lot of debt? Bet she won't struggle on her pension when she retires.

    Our inurance broker was speaking to me last week. His wife works in the NHS. He told me he would need to pay in £22k a year vs the £7k contributions she pays to get the same pension. Says it nigh on impossible to sack anyone as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Back of the net View Post
    I get the pay rises were overdue and I understand that in some peoples opinion they deserve it.
    But I stand by my point it’s a choice to satisfy the unions whilst ****ting on the pensioners.
    They have made it abundantly clear who their paymasters are and who they prioritise.
    Also they were clear in their view when the tories were in charge about their stance on the winter fuel payments.
    It’s easy to be vocal when you are in opposition but in reality you are as deceitful or actually more than the last lot.
    Lying Champaign socialists.
    Remember the promise that we will tackle the energy companies and hold them to account if they try and put energy prices up.
    Yep more lying.
    🤥
    Strong Trade Unions tend to lead to more successful outcomes for those who support them , negotiating is a much understated tentacle of that as opposed to no Trade Union and accept what management decide to give you .

    I'm far from convinced as much as I personally had to hold my nose and vote Labour to get rid of the Tories that the " Champagne Socialism " is actually in play .

    From what I saw pre election is that the Labour Party told us nothing other than the Tories were useless and they could do better .

    That's about as much as you had to go on .

    The Trade Unions aren't the only funding mechanism the Labour Party has by any means .

    https://bbc.com/news/uk-politics-68499719

    Everyone clearly wants something for their money and not just Trade Unions .

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    Quote Originally Posted by howdydoo View Post
    Isn't Barnsley MBC in a lot of debt? Bet she won't struggle on her pension when she retires.

    Our inurance broker was speaking to me last week. His wife works in the NHS. He told me he would need to pay in £22k a year vs the £7k contributions she pays to get the same pension. Says it nigh on impossible to sack anyone as well.
    I think most councils are running at a loss the question is probably in the servicing of that debt , I've personally a lot of time for Barnsley MBC with the way they've transformed the town centre against impossible odds , much to my amazement I have to say .

    The wife's pension is probably the only reason she sticks at the job if the truth be known .

    Here's the thing with her personal circumstances , she does a tough and mentally challenging job , she works four on and four off , two 10 hour days and two nights .

    This involves Xmas Day , Boxing Day , New Year , Bank holidays and Saturday and Sunday's .

    I do 8-4 Monday to Friday with nothing like her responsibility and pull in 3k a year more .

    There's council jobs and there's council jobs same as everywhere else in life .

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    Cineworld in Barnsley town centre are wanting a rent reduction or they say they'll close.

    Rotherham is trying to do something similar building things round a town centre cinema, it's not going to work. People have got big TVs to watch films on now and when they do want to go to the cinema they don't want to go into town centres.

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    Don't watch the news much. I'm reliant on mm for the information.
    Are Labour still blaming conservatives for the mess and reason why they have to make these changes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by caytonmiller View Post
    Don't watch the news much. I'm reliant on mm for the information.
    Are Labour still blaming conservatives for the mess and reason why they have to make these changes?
    No, they're blaming the previous Labour government, the Crusades, and whoever ate the apple - as would be fair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howdydoo View Post
    Would it be so hard to convert the unspent time into community service? Make it work like the speed awareness course system. Do the community service or stay in prison.

    My last employment was exactly this.

    By teaching them simple carpentry I found who could speak French and who couldn’t.
    Having them copy what I was writing showed me who could read and write.
    Measuring projects and doing simple maths showed me who could count.

    Each one of these simple activities we put on the relevant formation to enable them to at minimum pass the nationality test.

    Alongside the additional formation they spent time doing the carpentry.

    When they were ready they would be found a training course to suit their capabilities.

    But at all times they had to adhere to a strict working practice. This I did so they understood what an employer would expect.

    For each person that went through to further education they passed through 2 or 3 different classes.

    I worked for a charity and it was a brilliant job but last year it went bust because the grants stopped.

    Probably the hardest yet most rewarding job I’ve undertaken.

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    Pensioners freeze to death meanwhile Keir Starmer gets free designer dresses for his wife 🤷*♂️ as well as free suits free glasses free house free heating free electric free travel free free free free everything the political gravy train while loads of people get austerity.

    Liebour. Politics of envy. The hypocrisy party.

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