O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[OchPie]

You conveniently miss a lot out, as someone else just previously said in a previous post you label the centre in the middle as far right which most of us are not yet conveniently forget how the left and Islamists have turned the clock back to resemble the Nazis in the 1930s with their anti Jewish hate. You and the rest of your collective are very dangerous and more right wing than those that you berate!

Lol. If they were the centre, who is to the right of them exactly?

The anti-Jewish sentiment tolerated under Corbyn was horrific and I was not a member of the Labour party at that time.

Yes,well said, I just get fed up of seeing these lefty traitors waving Hamas/Hezbullah flags all overcthe GB, they are just useful idiots who would be the first to be slaughtered by the people they are sidingvwith.

Yeah rubbish. The vast majority of protestors - including many from the Jewish community - deplore Hamas and Hezbollah.

That those terrorist organisations exist doesn't mean I am going to be happy about Israel slaughtering my friends and colleagues. Those who cheer or shrug every time Israel kills another baby or toddler - and its aggression has seen the death of almost 10 Palestinians under five every day since the disgusting attack by Hamas and others a year ago - aren't going to get my support either.

Most of us have concentrated on the rabble that was in before, disastrous comes to mind but again you have to balance it and thatÂ’s what yourself, BFP, Och etc (IÂ’ve ommited Elite as he came on here and posted about Labours disasters with some balanced views) unfortunately until you accept that all the parties are as bad as each other and stop thinking that Liebour are any different this act of constant denial will continue. Top and bottom of it is that we are in an even worse place than the Tories left with the deniers blaming this fictitious 22 Billion black hole.

They aren't all as bad as each other. The Tories were uniquely terrible and were rightly kicked out. Labour is doing what it said it would do, but so far not very convincingly or effectively it would seem. Starmer desperately needs a better narrative. But it's not his fault every public service has been left in shambles, that pension credit was being denied to hundreds of thousands who should be getting it - or indeed that pensioners spent the last ten years being coddled (relatively). And the last government did very little of consequence. Doesn't excuse the mistakes Starmer and his team has made, but the official opposition is supposed to the the Tories, not the press.

[Notsohumblepie]

Lol. If they were the centre, who is to the right of them exactly?

The anti-Jewish sentiment tolerated under Corbyn was horrific and I was not a member of the Labour party at that time.



Yeah rubbish. The vast majority of protestors - including many from the Jewish community - deplore Hamas and Hezbollah.

That those terrorist organisations exist doesn't mean I am going to be happy about Israel slaughtering my friends and colleagues. Those who cheer or shrug every time Israel kills another baby or toddler - and its aggression has seen the death of almost 10 Palestinians under five every day since the disgusting attack by Hamas and others a year ago - aren't going to get my support either.



They aren't all as bad as each other. The Tories were uniquely terrible and were rightly kicked out. The vast majority of protestors - including many from the Jewish community - deplore Hamas and Hezbollah., but so far not very convincingly or effectively it would seem. Starmer desperately needs a better narrative. But it's not his fault every public service has been left in shambles, that pension credit was being denied to hundreds of thousands who should be getting it - or indeed that pensioners spent the last ten years being coddled (relatively). And the last government did very little of consequence. Doesn't excuse the mistakes Starmer and his team has made, but the official opposition is supposed to the the Tories, not the press.

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The current establishment definition of the political centre ground, would have put Harold Wilson on the board of the 1922 committee

"I was not a member of the Labour party at that time" . Can we assume that means you are now , as you probably wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise

"The vast majority of protestors - including many from the Jewish community - deplore Hamas and Hezbollah" Perhaps you could point out any visible evidence of that. I suspect that the SWP, who print most of the placards anyway , might find that alternative view a difficult cultural pill to swallow.

I suspect that the average pensioner ,who as a single person , would have a Pension Credit access limit of £231 per week , would consider the term "coddled" comparatively, or otherwise , to be stretching semantics to it's elastic limit .

"Labour is doing what it said it would " . I know many older people have hearing issues , but I think they may have missed the bit about "The Heating allowance"