O/T:- Betting odds for US Election [The USA Politics Thread]

[OP67]

I se Labour are send 100 party staff to help Harris. Well that could be a bit of an issue is Trump wins now couldn't it?!! Why are they even getting involved, just another stupid idea from them!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...kamala-harris/

[Lullapie]

You use Fox News as an example to show OTHER news networks are extreme - that is just so laughable I could almost believe you were joking!!

You obviously don't watch Fox News. They have a go at both sides and Trump gets a tough time from them. If you knew what you were talking about, you'd know that Fox and Trump fell out at the 2020 election because Fox called Arizona for Biden before any other news network. The 'actual' count for the states often aren't completed for days or weeks after election day. The main networks have huge power and responsibility when 'calling' the winner.

Mind you, I'm probably wasting my time writing that down as you have pre-conceived ideas about US politics.

[Lullapie]

The problem is that if anyone believes that Trump or Harris solely run the US, then, well, what can I say? Biden has been 'running' the US for the last three and half years and he has dementia.

It's not the figureheads, it how they got there and what they stand for. The whole world has turned upside down over the years. Previously the Republicans were about capitalism and the Democrats were about the working class - even though the Democrat Presidents were all super wealthy before they took office.

From what I understand, the Americans are voting for either the establishment, that has put many into poverty, flooded their country with migrants and moved many American jobs overseas to sweatshops or:

Voting for a more inward looking administration, in a country that has historically always been isolationist, that is offering them more better paid jobs, better living conditions and fewer US service personnel stationed in war zones.

The Democrats are now for the wealthy. Apart from Musk (who is with Trump), most of the benefactors to the Democratic Party are incredibly rich. They are looking after their own wealth. Look how many old school Billionaire Republicans are switching to the blue side. Does that not raise any questions?

Childish comments about Trump, gleaned from left-wing billionaire press groups is not what the people who are living in the US are interested in.

And we all know how good the Brits are at electing superb governments don't we - glass houses!

[Lullapie]

I se Labour are send 100 party staff to help Harris. Well that could be a bit of an issue is Trump wins now couldn't it?!! Why are they even getting involved, just another stupid idea from them!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...kamala-harris/

Who's paying for it? Mind you, we offered for Jacinda Ardern to go and help out. The Democrats seem to like her.

[i961pie]

Who's paying for it? Mind you, we offered for Jacinda Ardern to go and help out. The Democrats seem to like her.

It's DAME Jacinda to you 😂.

[slack_pie]

The problem is that if anyone believes that Trump or Harris solely run the US, then, well, what can I say? Biden has been 'running' the US for the last three and half years and he has dementia.

It's not the figureheads, it how they got there and what they stand for. The whole world has turned upside down over the years. Previously the Republicans were about capitalism and the Democrats were about the working class - even though the Democrat Presidents were all super wealthy before they took office.

From what I understand, the Americans are voting for either the establishment, that has put many into poverty, flooded their country with migrants and moved many American jobs overseas to sweatshops or:

Voting for a more inward looking administration, in a country that has historically always been isolationist, that is offering them more better paid jobs, better living conditions and fewer US service personnel stationed in war zones.

The Democrats are now for the wealthy. Apart from Musk (who is with Trump), most of the benefactors to the Democratic Party are incredibly rich. They are looking after their own wealth. Look how many old school Billionaire Republicans are switching to the blue side. Does that not raise any questions?

Childish comments about Trump, gleaned from left-wing billionaire press groups is not what the people who are living in the US are interested in.

And we all know how good the Brits are at electing superb governments don't we - glass houses!

I heard an interview with Vivek Ramaswamy recently where he explained that those voting for Harris are voting for a machine. The machine has chosen her as the figurehead, but the actual running of the country will continue in spite of her if she wins, just as it has in spite of Biden. That sounds about right to me. For anyone who disagrees, do you really think a senile old man who couldn't hold down a job in Lidl is running the world's most powerful country?

The Democrats, as you say, are the establishment party now.

[i961pie]

The problem is that if anyone believes that Trump or Harris solely run the US, then, well, what can I say? Biden has been 'running' the US for the last three and half years and he has dementia.

It's not the figureheads, it how they got there and what they stand for. The whole world has turned upside down over the years. Previously the Republicans were about capitalism and the Democrats were about the working class - even though the Democrat Presidents were all super wealthy before they took office.

From what I understand, the Americans are voting for either the establishment, that has put many into poverty, flooded their country with migrants and moved many American jobs overseas to sweatshops or:

Voting for a more inward looking administration, in a country that has historically always been isolationist, that is offering them more better paid jobs, better living conditions and fewer US service personnel stationed in war zones.

The Democrats are now for the wealthy. Apart from Musk (who is with Trump), most of the benefactors to the Democratic Party are incredibly rich. They are looking after their own wealth. Look how many old school Billionaire Republicans are switching to the blue side. Does that not raise any questions?

Childish comments about Trump, gleaned from left-wing billionaire press groups is not what the people who are living in the US are interested in.

And we all know how good the Brits are at electing superb governments don't we - glass houses!

Unlike childish comments spoken by trump.

[drillerpie]

Trump has surrounded himself with some decent people to be fair, some of whom are former Democrats - which tells you everything you need to know about the direction the Dems are going in.

It's a shame that someone else isn't the Republican candidate though. People like Vivek Ramaswamy and RFK Junior are clearly more dialled in and less controversial than Trump. Vivek is about as impressive a candidate as you could have as far as I'm concerned. Trump, on the other hand, is so divisive that some people will vote for Harris simply because she's Trump's opposition.

If Trump wins, I'm interested to see if he follows through on his idea to have Elon Musk audit the entire public sector. I'm convinced that with the right processes in place and the sort of dynamism and performance standards you see in the private sector, you could halve the state and enjoy a more efficient and fair system.

I watched Vivek Rawaswamy on Lex Fridman and he strikes me as certainly decent in the sense of very bright and articulate. I think he comes across well on a lot of issues, he explains his views on immigration very well. I think he is wrong to the point of being deluded on Ukraine and I'm concerned by how he can't bring himself to criticise Trump's fake elector scheme, which is worrying but I suppose that's politics. We are one month out from an election after all and he doesn't want those headlines.

RFK comes across more as eccentric uncle than presidential material to me.

Musk is loved by many but big question marks overbhis judgement for me. He's a great hype and ideas man but out of all his companies I think only SpaceX is well run. His audit of the public seccltor would probably start with the removal of any oversight and regulation of social media, self driving electric vehicles and satellites (while keeping the billion dollar government subsidies he's supposedly against). But maybe I'm being cynical.

[drillerpie]

People we know in the US say that Trump will win in a landslide. And before those who are anti-Trump start talking about the ‘popular vote’ , just remember how many votes Reform got in the last election and how many seats in Parliament they got.

I only brought it up as it seemed to fit the topic of the thread (betting on the US election). There's no such thing as a dead cert, of course, but if I'm not mistaken the Republicans have only won one popular vote since Clinton beat George HW Bush in 1992. 9/2 seemed very generous in those circumstances, but I last looked a couple of months ago - not even sure you can still get that.

I think you're friends in the US are misguided in their predictions, but if they truly believe that they should buy out-the-money call options on Trump's fake company (DJT) for election week - they will make a lot of money if they are right.

[drillerpie]

I only brought it up as it seemed to fit the topic of the thread (betting on the US election). There's no such thing as a dead cert, of course, but if I'm not mistaken the Republicans have only won one popular vote since Clinton beat George HW Bush in 1992. 9/2 seemed very generous in those circumstances, but I last looked a couple of months ago - not even sure you can still get that.

I think you're friends in the US are misguided in their predictions, but if they truly believe that they should buy out-the-money call options on Trump's fake company (DJT) for election week - they will make a lot of money if they are right.

Just to clarify that's 9 to 2 on, not 9 to 2 against, which would be incredible.