Supporters Trust Forum

[animallittle3]

Animal - as you will have seen and heard while watching the video of the event (I’m assuming you have before making comment) that each of the incomings and outgoings were highlighted.
Jon Flatman said - to cut costs we would have to cut back on what we see on the field.
And they are not prepared to do that.

I have been saying it for a while now - us fans should be greatly thankful for these owners.
The question is - where does the club go from here?
Neerav has a vision for the club.
The owners have a hand of cards - it’s knowing when to play the right cards.
Example - John Dennis with Henrie and Wilkinson.

I put Neerav on the spot when I asked about recruitment and if James Cryne was still at the club.
When I heard that he wasn’t then I asked if the club was missing him.
It was a very clumsy question to ask.
Of course Neerav is going to deny it because Sormaz, obviously James’s replacement was sat at the side of him.

The money shortfall is a concern.
But recruitment is also a major concern.
It will have been noted that supporters asked about the dip in recruitment.

I predicted that Khaled was probably sacked (because of the Collins appointment) and I’m predicting now that Sormaz won’t be here for long.

They won't keep putting in £8m every year YN , it's just not sustainable so it's a bit more than a concern .

I don't think you've grasped the enormity of this financial situation .

They need to cut those costs down by at least £6m per annum , that should be their prime focus , the league position is secondary .

Any business that hired a consultant would tell them the same .

[Jules88]

“to cut costs we would have to cut back on what we see on the field.
And they are not prepared to do that. “

Yet they expect us to chop out £400 + for a season ticket next season whilst they try a myriad of sub league one players, hoping for it to come right.
Neerav must be itching to come here every six weeks or so to watch his brass go down the drain, bet he cant wait for his trip……. Even James has baled…..

Tell you what…..If this was my investment…. I would be here EVERY DAY.

SELL UP, and get owners in who aren’t gambling with 10p bets.

[Jules88]

They won't keep putting in £8m every year YN , it's just not sustainable so it's a bit more than a concern .

I don't think you've grasped the enormity of this financial situation .

They need to cut those costs down by at least £6m per annum , that should be their prime focus , the league position is secondary .

Any business that hired a consultant would tell them the same .

We are stuffed then. National League it is.

[pass_and_move]

More I think about this the more I shek mi head. Only saw the 8 minute clip on BBS about the finances but that's the main talking point and a massive cause for concern.

Nudger, if tha seriously thinks we should be glad of these owners then tha deluded. They've taken the club backwards both on the field and financially. In fact, the club has never seen so much debt. Even in the 2002 administration days the debt was just over 2 million and that was only due to the collapse of ITV Digital.

They're so called goal (according to Parekh)is to stabilise in the Championship but we are miles away from getting promoted with this squad never mind Championship stability!

Think about it

[Ponte_Steve24]

Animal. I think you're a top bloke but if the powers that be read your post they might as well chalk f c UK on it now mate.

I doubt there will be many parting with £400 to watch League 2 or National League

Maybe Crynes vision was 11 bairns from Barnsley playing scratch n' sniff in the Conference?

[animallittle3]

Animal. I think you're a top bloke but if the powers that be read your post they might as well chalk f c UK on it now mate.

I doubt there will be many parting with £400 to watch League 2 or National League

Maybe Crynes vision was 11 bairns from Barnsley playing scratch n' sniff in the Conference?

When I say the league position is secondary what I mean is that the club should be looking for loans primarily and also reducing the coaching staff with the academy going too .

I'm not saying we have to fall off a cliff but be realistic until those costs are cut to acceptable levels .

The potential position is the owners walking away because of the amount of money they are having to subsidise the club with and leading us to administration .

The owners or anybody else in business is to protect the business first and foremost .

[SBRed48]

Animal - as you will have seen and heard while watching the video of the event (I’m assuming you have before making comment) that each of the incomings and outgoings were highlighted.
Jon Flatman said - to cut costs we would have to cut back on what we see on the field.
And they are not prepared to do that.

I have been saying it for a while now - us fans should be greatly thankful for these owners.
The question is - where does the club go from here?
Neerav has a vision for the club.
The owners have a hand of cards - it’s knowing when to play the right cards.
Example - John Dennis with Henrie and Wilkinson.

I put Neerav on the spot when I asked about recruitment and if James Cryne was still at the club.
When I heard that he wasn’t then I asked if the club was missing him.
.

Today's Chronicle report on the meeting--

"Parekh praised part owner James Cryne who designed the data led recruitment system the club still uses.
Parekh said "Barnsley Football Club probably exists because of James Cryne's model and the ability to re-sell players. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the club might have folded if it weren't for that. James is still a shareholder but he is no longer working full time at Barnsley. He works for a different company right now."

James now works for Zelus Analytics, a sports analytics software consultancy company selling sports data insights to professional teams. It would not surprise me if part of BFC's £17 mill expenditure went towards Zelus Analytics.

[Young_Nudger]

Today's Chronicle report on the meeting--

"Parekh praised part owner James Cryne who designed the data led recruitment system the club still uses.
Parekh said "Barnsley Football Club probably exists because of James Cryne's model and the ability to re-sell players. It wouldn't be an exaggeration to say the club might have folded if it weren't for that. James is still a shareholder but he is no longer working full time at Barnsley. He works for a different company right now."

James now works for Zelus Analytics, a sports analytics software consultancy company selling sports data insights to professional teams. It would not surprise me if part of BFC's £17 mill expenditure went towards Zelus Analytics.

Yes that information came through my questioning.

We have had a continuous stream of posts claiming the directors don’t listen.
I’m not accusing you of doing this SB - but some on here think the Forum is there so supporters can tell the directors what to do.
Thats not the purpose of the Forum.
It’s there so supporters can ask questions.

It’s commendable that we have directors willing to do this.
I can’t think of any other club that does it.

The Forum sometimes gets bogged down with supporters complaining about the price of a pint etc.
Hopefully this sort of thing will be dealt with at the FAB meetings giving the Forum more time to discuss more important issues eg
Can you explain the reasons behind the share issues ?
How does the new relationship with the Council work in relation to developing the ground?
Neither of these were asked because the 2 hour meeting ran out of time discussing what I would describe as trivia.

As for expenditure - it was explained that most of the expenditure goes towards the team - it’s a decision that has been made and they realise it is at the expense of doing other things such as improving the fans experience.
The only expenditure that is possible to cut is in buying players and paying players wages.
But fortunately for us supporters the directors are not prepared to do that.
I can’t imagine they will be pumping money into another limited company that they have no control over.
So why try to kick start a conspiracy theory???

The news about James working towards setting up analytical program's for other football clubs is nothing short of alarming.
Our advantage for years has been based on the genius of James Cryne to identify players going under the radar.
If that advantage is lost because other clubs are now using the same system then we are truly up the creek without a paddle.
And it may be the reason why Sormaz is struggling to get players in.
Hence the dip in recruitment this summer.

If I’d have known this about James before the Forum meeting then it would be something I’d have definitely asked about.

[pass_and_move]

When I say the league position is secondary what I mean is that the club should be looking for loans primarily and also reducing the coaching staff with the academy going too .

I'm not saying we have to fall off a cliff but be realistic until those costs are cut to acceptable levels .

The potential position is the owners walking away because of the amount of money they are having to subsidise the club with and leading us to administration .

The owners or anybody else in business is to protect the business first and foremost .

Agree. Being a realist I'd suggest that keeping this football club alive by cutting costs is the immediate priority. We can't have it both ways supporting this club, we never have.

[SBRed48]

Can you explain the reasons behind the share issues ?




The news about James working towards setting up analytical program's for other football clubs is nothing short of alarming.


If I’d have known this about James before the Forum meeting then it would be something I’d have definitely asked about.

The Share Issues are there to fill the £8 million shortfall YN.

Rather than putting cash from their pockets straight into the club with nothing to show for it the route of buying shares means they have Share Certificates in their hands which can later be redeemed/ sold. The money that could be received may be a little less if the share price falls but at least money put in can be recovered if some shares or even the whole club is sold.

James has been at Zelus Analytics for two years YN.

Nearly all clubs spend the largest proportion of their expenditure on the player budget. It is not special to BFC.