o/t Southport mursers

[Trickytreesreds]

So to sum up
Initially, we were told these poor girls had been killed by a Christian from Rwanda. Now we know that couldn’t be further from the truth. Axel Rudakubana, the 18-year-old accused of the brutal murder of three young schoolgirls and attempted murder of 10 others in Southport, is also now charged with attempting to create a biological weapon using the lethal toxin Ricin.
But it doesn’t stop there. Merseyside police have hit Rudakubana with a second new charge under the Terrorism Act for possessing an Al-Qaeda terror manual. This bombshell comes after three months in which authorities repeatedly said there was no evidence linking this horrific act to terrorism. Now, they’re telling us a very different story.
According to Chief Constable Serena Kennedy at a Merseyside police press conference, new evidence surfaced after officers searched Rudakubana’s home. Among the findings was a suspicious substance, sent to the Government’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down. The result? Ricin—the deadly poison. Thankfully, authorities confirm it wasn’t used in the Southport attack, with no traces found at the Hart Space venue where the horror unfolded.
Rudakubana now faces three counts of murder, 10 counts of attempted murder, and a charge of carrying a bladed weapon. Those he’s accused of killing—Bebe King, six, Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, and Alice Dasilva Aguiar, nine—were at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class when they were attacked, alongside eight other children and two adults who were injured.
But it gets darker still. Merseyside police report that Rudakubana also had a PDF file titled Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: the Al-Qaeda training manual, a document that’s all too useful for someone looking to commit an act of terror. Chief Constable Kennedy confirmed this charge, explaining it under section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000.
The aftermath of this tragedy has already seen widespread unrest across towns and cities in England and Northern Ireland. And today’s revelations? They’re bound to stir more. Merseyside police are already on high alert, ready to deploy additional resources if necessary.
Chief Constable Kennedy sought to reassure the community, pledging justice for the families of Bebe, Elsie, and Alice, the 10 injured victims, and all who were present that day. “We are also committed to being open and transparent with our communities,” she said, though also mindful of not jeopardizing the ongoing legal process.
Despite these chilling new charges, Counter Terrorism police have yet to officially declare the Southport attack a terrorist incident. Rudakubana is set to appear before Westminster magistrates court tomorrow to face these new charges.

Farcical

[Andy_Faber]

So to sum up
Initially, we were told these poor girls had been killed by a Christian from Rwanda. Now we know that couldn’t be further from the truth. Axel Rudakubana, the 18-year-old accused of the brutal murder of three young schoolgirls and attempted murder of 10 others in Southport, is also now charged with attempting to create a biological weapon using the lethal toxin Ricin.
But it doesn’t stop there. Merseyside police have hit Rudakubana with a second new charge under the Terrorism Act for possessing an Al-Qaeda terror manual. This bombshell comes after three months in which authorities repeatedly said there was no evidence linking this horrific act to terrorism. Now, they’re telling us a very different story.
According to Chief Constable Serena Kennedy at a Merseyside police press conference, new evidence surfaced after officers searched Rudakubana’s home. Among the findings was a suspicious substance, sent to the Government’s Defence Science and Technology Laboratory at Porton Down. The result? Ricin—the deadly poison. Thankfully, authorities confirm it wasn’t used in the Southport attack, with no traces found at the Hart Space venue where the horror unfolded.
Rudakubana now faces three counts of murder, 10 counts of attempted murder, and a charge of carrying a bladed weapon. Those he’s accused of killing—Bebe King, six, Elsie Dot Stancombe, seven, and Alice Dasilva Aguiar, nine—were at a Taylor Swift-themed dance class when they were attacked, alongside eight other children and two adults who were injured.
But it gets darker still. Merseyside police report that Rudakubana also had a PDF file titled Military Studies in the Jihad Against the Tyrants: the Al-Qaeda training manual, a document that’s all too useful for someone looking to commit an act of terror. Chief Constable Kennedy confirmed this charge, explaining it under section 58 of the Terrorism Act 2000.
The aftermath of this tragedy has already seen widespread unrest across towns and cities in England and Northern Ireland. And today’s revelations? They’re bound to stir more. Merseyside police are already on high alert, ready to deploy additional resources if necessary.
Chief Constable Kennedy sought to reassure the community, pledging justice for the families of Bebe, Elsie, and Alice, the 10 injured victims, and all who were present that day. “We are also committed to being open and transparent with our communities,” she said, though also mindful of not jeopardizing the ongoing legal process.
Despite these chilling new charges, Counter Terrorism police have yet to officially declare the Southport attack a terrorist incident. Rudakubana is set to appear before Westminster magistrates court tomorrow to face these new charges.

Farcical

Tricky, this looks like plagiarism, if its a straight or almost straight lift from elsewhere, please remove it, and if you wish provide a context summary and a link

Also, and MA and others have made the point regarding the Mike Amesbury and Manchester Airport incidents, the police have due process to follow and things do 'emerge'.

In Rudakubana's case I don't see any proof that they've got anything 'wrong', a Muslim presenting as a Christian wouldn't be difficult although time will tell whether they rushed to judgement on that to avoid unrest, although of course a failed strategy if that was the case.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky, this looks like plagiarism, if its a straight or almost straight lift from elsewhere, please remove it, and if you wish provide a context summary and a link

Also, and MA and others have made the point regarding the Mike Amesbury and Manchester Airport incidents, the police have due process to follow and things do 'emerge'.

In Rudakubana's case I don't see any proof that they've got anything 'wrong', a Muslim presenting as a Christian wouldn't be difficult although time will tell whether they rushed to judgement on that to avoid unrest, although of course a failed strategy if that was the case.

Most of it was my words, if it offends you then please you remove it. This is a classic example of how the riots sprung up. Denial/ refusal to reveal anything/ deflection
It is Islamic terrorism and the government / Police decided to hush it up

[ramAnag]

Tricky, this looks like plagiarism, if its a straight or almost straight lift from elsewhere, please remove it, and if you wish provide a context summary and a link

Also, and MA and others have made the point regarding the Mike Amesbury and Manchester Airport incidents, the police have due process to follow and things do 'emerge'.

In Rudakubana's case I don't see any proof that they've got anything 'wrong', a Muslim presenting as a Christian wouldn't be difficult although time will tell whether they rushed to judgement on that to avoid unrest, although of course a failed strategy if that was the case.

Thank you for that, AF. I was in two minds whether to pm you about this post or just ignore it.

A forum is a place where views are exchanged and opinions contested, sometimes quite fiercely. The usual topics on here are football or politics and sometimes things can get quite feisty…something for which I am as much to ‘blame’ as anyone.

There is however, imo, a line which should not be crossed. The Southport incident and the murder of three innocent young girls was as tragic, upsetting and depraved an event as any I can ever remember. As regards the perpetrator…I am inclined to believe, from what little we know at the moment, that this is as much a case of an 18 year old with a serious mental health issues as anything else and should, as you suggest, be left well alone until all the appropriate investigation has taken place.

Either way I don’t believe it’s a matter that anyone should be seeking to make political capital out of. Most of us will recognise that it’s still too raw and painful for all concerned and should be treated accordingly and placed ‘out of bounds’ in terms of future short term forum discussion.

[Andy_Faber]

Thank you for that, AF. I was in two minds whether to pm you about this post or just ignore it.

A forum is a place where views are exchanged and opinions contested, sometimes quite fiercely. The usual topics on here are football or politics and sometimes things can get quite feisty…something for which I am as much to ‘blame’ as anyone.

There is however, imo, a line which should not be crossed. The Southport incident and the murder of three innocent young girls was as tragic, upsetting and depraved an event as any I can ever remember. As regards the perpetrator…I am inclined to believe, from what little we know at the moment, that this is as much a case of an 18 year old with a serious mental health issues as anything else and should, as you suggest, be left well alone until all the appropriate investigation has taken place.

Either way I don’t believe it’s a matter that anyone should be seeking to make political capital out of. Most of us will recognise that it’s still too raw and painful for all concerned and should be treated accordingly and placed ‘out of bounds’ in terms of future short term forum discussion.

I'm not taking any further action yet because the thread seems to have prompted a discussion rather than a slanging match and politicising of a horrendous crime on this forum isn't new (Jo Cox for example). I'll see how things develop

[ramAnag]

I'm not taking any further action yet because the thread seems to have prompted a discussion rather than a slanging match and politicising of a horrendous crime on this forum isn't new (Jo Cox for example). I'll see how things develop

Fair enough, I see where you’re coming from…although comparison with Jo Cox seems tenuous in so much as her murder was politically motivated rather than the actions of a (possibly) mentally unstable ****ager towards three complete innocents.

[Trickytreesreds]

Fair enough, I see where you’re coming from…although comparison with Jo Cox seems tenuous in so much as her murder was politically motivated rather than the actions of a (possibly) mentally unstable ****ager towards three complete innocents.

RA a mentally unstable ****ager, who decided that Jihadist training/ideology was for him, as was the production of a toxic poison, with god knows what intentions were. Think about his chosen targets as well

Ricin an assassins lethal weapon of choice.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...nvolving_ricin

[Andy_Faber]

can we say we're done on this one until there are new revelations?