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[MadAmster]

So what you are saying then, is that the hatred, racism, tit for tat of the middle east is now on the streets of Europe and part of day to day life? If so, why are they here?

And stopping white people on the streets demanding to see ID papers, sounds very gestapo/ waffen SS to me.

Why are they here? Quite feasibly some were born here. Parents or grandparents came here to work years ago.

[Trickytreesreds]

Why are they here? Quite feasibly some were born here. Parents or grandparents came here to work years ago.

That in itself is even worse. No integration and adoption of western values and rule of law.
Lets just recreate the bile of where we came from here.
If thats the way they want to live, letting their religion dictate their prejudices, then they should all leave to somewhere they can carry it out as a norm.

[ramAnag]

Surely the most salient points of MA’s original comment are his description of the behaviour of these fans…tearing down and burning Palestinian flags, attacking a Muslim taxi driver and indulging in anti Gaza chants. Without defending any of the violence and accepting that I’m sure some on both sides were all too happy to ‘retaliate’, there does, assuming MA’s description to be accurate, appear to be an element of ‘reap what you sow’.

There’s also something ironic about Tricky talking about ‘bile’ and criticising the bringing hatred to the streets of Europe given that he is the greatest peddler of hatred, disharmony and anti Muslim/immigrant bile on this forum.

[Andy_Faber]

Surely the most salient points of MA’s original comment are his description of the behaviour of these fans…tearing down and burning Palestinian flags, attacking a Muslim taxi driver and indulging in anti Gaza chants. Without defending any of the violence and accepting that I’m sure some on both sides were all too happy to ‘retaliate’, there does, assuming MA’s description to be accurate, appear to be an element of ‘reap what you sow’.

There’s also something ironic about Tricky talking about ‘bile’ and criticising the bringing hatred to the streets of Europe given that he is the greatest peddler of hatred, disharmony and anti Muslim/immigrant bile on this forum.

On this occasion I disagree because IMO it showed bias. MA called me out on a similar inaccuracy last week and I took it in good part, trust MA does the same

[ramAnag]

On this occasion I disagree because IMO it showed bias. MA called me out on a similar inaccuracy last week and I took it in good part, trust MA does the same

I’m sure he will, but I’m not sure how his account ‘showed bias’. He appears to me to be a very reasonable and truthful man of integrity who lives in and is familiar with Amsterdam. I therefore suspect he is likely to know more about what actually happened there than the rest of us.

[Andy_Faber]

I’m sure he will, but I’m not sure how his account ‘showed bias’.

This happens a lot, and I'm not sure if you genuinely don't understand or if its a tactic

[ramAnag]

This happens a lot, and I'm not sure if you genuinely don't understand or if its a tactic

Sorry, what ‘happens a lot’. I’m just discussing something with you…why do I need a ‘tactic’?

[Trickytreesreds]

Surely the most salient points of MA’s original comment are his description of the behaviour of these fans…tearing down and burning Palestinian flags, attacking a Muslim taxi driver and indulging in anti Gaza chants. Without defending any of the violence and accepting that I’m sure some on both sides were all too happy to ‘retaliate’, there does, assuming MA’s description to be accurate, appear to be an element of ‘reap what you sow’.

There’s also something ironic about Tricky talking about ‘bile’ and criticising the bringing hatred to the streets of Europe given that he is the greatest peddler of hatred, disharmony and anti Muslim/immigrant bile on this forum.

Went straight over your head didn't it.
Israeli fans came over here and caused football trouble. Muslim immigrants, decide to take the law into their own hands and instead of leaving it to the police, recreate their own version of Nazi Germany.
You defend it all you want
Its serious

[ramAnag]

Went straight over your head didn't it.
Israeli fans came over here and caused football trouble. Muslim immigrants, decide to take the law into their own hands and instead of leaving it to the police, recreate their own version of Nazi Germany.
You defend it all you want
Its serious

Which bit of me saying…‘without defending any of the violence’…didn’t you understand?

Thought you usually castigated Swale for making ‘Nazi’ comparisons.

Still puzzled by Andy’s talk of ‘tactics’ and ‘bias’.

[Andy_Faber]

Still puzzled by Andy’s talk of ‘tactics’ and ‘bias’.

Two different issues, the latter leading onto the former. I don't want this to turn into the usual ping pong so this is my only clarification:

Bias: In his original mesage, MA mentions 'many of the Macabbi fans will have been, or still are, IDF or reservists'. But its an unnecessary description, as MA later admits (almost) all Israelis have to be IDF or reservists, and it colours his report by insinuating that there was some pseudo-military planning involved. Such unnecessary elaboration suggets bias to me, and leads me to doubt the rest of the report. That doesn't mean I have stopped believing anything MA says, far from it, it just sows a seed of doubt in that instance.

Tactic: you tend to respond to a lot of well-thought through well written statements and points of view (lets exclude my ramblings, it relates to thers too) with 'I'm puzzled' or similar phrase, that's just a cheap way of avoiding addressing the original statement. Just IMO

You're right about the Nazi thing by the way, its not just Swale and its a really cheap shot, again just IMO