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[Trickytreesreds]

Why are they here? Quite feasibly some were born here. Parents or grandparents came here to work years ago.

That in itself is even worse. No integration and adoption of western values and rule of law.
Lets just recreate the bile of where we came from here.
If thats the way they want to live, letting their religion dictate their prejudices, then they should all leave to somewhere they can carry it out as a norm.

[ramAnag]

Surely the most salient points of MA’s original comment are his description of the behaviour of these fans…tearing down and burning Palestinian flags, attacking a Muslim taxi driver and indulging in anti Gaza chants. Without defending any of the violence and accepting that I’m sure some on both sides were all too happy to ‘retaliate’, there does, assuming MA’s description to be accurate, appear to be an element of ‘reap what you sow’.

There’s also something ironic about Tricky talking about ‘bile’ and criticising the bringing hatred to the streets of Europe given that he is the greatest peddler of hatred, disharmony and anti Muslim/immigrant bile on this forum.

[Andy_Faber]

Surely the most salient points of MA’s original comment are his description of the behaviour of these fans…tearing down and burning Palestinian flags, attacking a Muslim taxi driver and indulging in anti Gaza chants. Without defending any of the violence and accepting that I’m sure some on both sides were all too happy to ‘retaliate’, there does, assuming MA’s description to be accurate, appear to be an element of ‘reap what you sow’.

There’s also something ironic about Tricky talking about ‘bile’ and criticising the bringing hatred to the streets of Europe given that he is the greatest peddler of hatred, disharmony and anti Muslim/immigrant bile on this forum.

On this occasion I disagree because IMO it showed bias. MA called me out on a similar inaccuracy last week and I took it in good part, trust MA does the same

[ramAnag]

On this occasion I disagree because IMO it showed bias. MA called me out on a similar inaccuracy last week and I took it in good part, trust MA does the same

I’m sure he will, but I’m not sure how his account ‘showed bias’. He appears to me to be a very reasonable and truthful man of integrity who lives in and is familiar with Amsterdam. I therefore suspect he is likely to know more about what actually happened there than the rest of us.

[Trickytreesreds]

Surely the most salient points of MA’s original comment are his description of the behaviour of these fans…tearing down and burning Palestinian flags, attacking a Muslim taxi driver and indulging in anti Gaza chants. Without defending any of the violence and accepting that I’m sure some on both sides were all too happy to ‘retaliate’, there does, assuming MA’s description to be accurate, appear to be an element of ‘reap what you sow’.

There’s also something ironic about Tricky talking about ‘bile’ and criticising the bringing hatred to the streets of Europe given that he is the greatest peddler of hatred, disharmony and anti Muslim/immigrant bile on this forum.

Went straight over your head didn't it.
Israeli fans came over here and caused football trouble. Muslim immigrants, decide to take the law into their own hands and instead of leaving it to the police, recreate their own version of Nazi Germany.
You defend it all you want
Its serious

[Andy_Faber]

I’m sure he will, but I’m not sure how his account ‘showed bias’.

This happens a lot, and I'm not sure if you genuinely don't understand or if its a tactic

[ramAnag]

This happens a lot, and I'm not sure if you genuinely don't understand or if its a tactic

Sorry, what ‘happens a lot’. I’m just discussing something with you…why do I need a ‘tactic’?

[MadAmster]

The latest "news". The woman freelancer who filmed the first incident on the Thursday (Flags and taxi incidents were Wednesday) put the video up on her twitter, saying that the perpetrators were the Macabbi fans. That was picked up by an American who posted the video up citing the Macabbi fans as the victims. She contacted him and asked for a rectification that never arrived. A lot of news services took the American's version and posted that as the facts. She got in touch with several news services asking them to "get it right". Only one did. Source: an interview with the woman herself on an RTL4 talk show.

The video actually showed it was Macabbi fans doing the attacking. Around the same time, a young YouTuber took and posted video. It showed Macabbi fans dismantling pallets and using the wood as weapons chasing locals.

None of this excuses the reaction from what are now being described as "people with a migration background, mainly Moroccan".

Two wrongs don't make a right or even a one sided right. To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Violence begat violence. Both need condemning in the strongest possible terms.

[ramAnag]

Went straight over your head didn't it.
Israeli fans came over here and caused football trouble. Muslim immigrants, decide to take the law into their own hands and instead of leaving it to the police, recreate their own version of Nazi Germany.
You defend it all you want
Its serious

Which bit of me saying…‘without defending any of the violence’…didn’t you understand?

Thought you usually castigated Swale for making ‘Nazi’ comparisons.

Still puzzled by Andy’s talk of ‘tactics’ and ‘bias’.

[Andy_Faber]

The latest "news". The woman freelancer who filmed the first incident on the Thursday (Flags and taxi incidents were Wednesday) put the video up on her twitter, saying that the perpetrators were the Macabbi fans. That was picked up by an American who posted the video up citing the Macabbi fans as the victims. She contacted him and asked for a rectification that never arrived. A lot of news services took the American's version and posted that as the facts. She got in touch with several news services asking them to "get it right". Only one did. Source: an interview with the woman herself on an RTL4 talk show.

The video actually showed it was Macabbi fans doing the attacking. Around the same time, a young YouTuber took and posted video. It showed Macabbi fans dismantling pallets and using the wood as weapons chasing locals.

None of this excuses the reaction from what are now being described as "people with a migration background, mainly Moroccan".

Two wrongs don't make a right or even a one sided right. To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Violence begat violence. Both need condemning in the strongest possible terms.

No argument there. IMO two inflexible, intolerant belief systems in conflict on the neutral ground of a flexible, tolerant one