O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[Timbertop]

With clowns like wrecking ball Silliband in power nobody i know is prepared to continue supporting Labour and their schoolboy politics.

[animallittle3]

With clowns like wrecking ball Silliband in power nobody i know is prepared to continue supporting Labour and their schoolboy politics.

To be replaced by who though ?

[Brin]

Seen lots of Starmer or Labour bashing going on here and around the net and it?s all so childishly pathetic. We had 14 years of the Tories. Five different Tory prime ministers, each and every one of which proved themselves to be various degrees of dishonest, incompetent, self serving d1ck4eads.

So I say, if everything written about Starmer and Labour is actually true, so what? Really, so fffing what? It can only be ?as bad? at worst. And there may be a very slim chance that a different approach may bring an improvement. No, I don?t hold much hope, but it is certain that the Tories aren?t fixing anything except their own bank balances.

Beau, what the Tory lovies can't swallow is they were voted out by the General public based on what you say. They thought they were untouchable and could go on forever.

Does anyone think Starmer and Co brought in a magic wand and some fairy dust to turn it all around in an instant? It's going to take years to look anything like. The mass immigrants arriving isn't helping out economy at all. Get that sorted first!

[Brin]

I detested Thatcher and the damage she inflicted.

Starmer has surpassed her in quick time- lied thru his teeth to get in , zero personality or appeal, with a team of arrogant people beside him.

How may more times will I hear about this black hole !!😡

It needs mentioning every month until such times it's been dealt with which, will be a very long time. Let's keep reminding the taxpayer out there just what a s.hithouse the Tories left it all in. ?22 Billion!!! Unbelievable Jeff.

[Lolmorgan]

It needs mentioning every month until such times it's been dealt with which, will be a very long time. Let's keep reminding the taxpayer out there just what a s.hithouse the Tories left it all in. ?22 Billion!!! Unbelievable Jeff.

Yet nobody that?s in the know can?t find this said 22 billion black hole Brin.

[mellowmiller]

It needs mentioning every month until such times it's been dealt with which, will be a very long time. Let's keep reminding the taxpayer out there just what a s.hithouse the Tories left it all in. ?22 Billion!!! Unbelievable Jeff.

And you actually believe that? Wow.

[Yak]

It needs mentioning every month until such times it's been dealt with which, will be a very long time. Let's keep reminding the taxpayer out there just what a s.hithouse the Tories left it all in. ?22 Billion!!! Unbelievable Jeff.

Brin I?ve no love for the Tories but if you believe that 22 Billion figure then I?m afraid you are either in denial or incredibly naive.
You really believe what a persistent liar says beggars belief.
Like mellow says Wow.

[Brin]

Brin I?ve no love for the Tories but if you believe that 22 Billion figure then I?m afraid you are either in denial or incredibly naive.
You really believe what a persistent liar says beggars belief.
Like mellow says Wow.

YAK/Mellow, gentlemen, has any Tory stepped up to denounce what Labour are claiming? The platform through the TV/media is there for them to stand up and say it's all lies or, is the debt larger and any digging may reveal more?

[KerrAvon]

Brin I?ve no love for the Tories but if you believe that 22 Billion figure then I?m afraid you are either in denial or incredibly naive.
You really believe what a persistent liar says beggars belief.
Like mellow says Wow.

Post Office scandal compensation- estimated cost around ?2 billion. Amount budgeted by the last government ?0.

Infected blood scandal compensation- estimated cost ?10 billion. Amount budgeted by the last government ?0.

Do you believe that the last government didn't know that those two items were not coming?

An OBR review of the March budget concluded that an estimated ?9.5 billion of additional spending pressures were known to the Treasury but were not made known to the OBR at the time it was preparing its March forecast.

On what basis do you dispute the claim of a black hole? Not wanting to believe it doesn't wash.

[ragingpup]

This looks quite balanced on the 'black hole', conclusion that the black hole was/is there but mostly was visible before the election to anyone who cared/dared to look:

https://ifs.org.uk/articles/ps22bn-b...who-dared-look