Raw - but on the money, son

[Brin]

That?s presumably the David Rawson who graced this board a few years back. He wrote extremely lucid insightful match reports then and he hasn?t lost his touch.

CT, yes the same one indeed. A very insightful report whenever he's written one. This one though, holds absolutely no punches and why should it? Well done that man.

[Brin]

So, the entire fault is that of the manager and coach? Or maybe what we are seeing here is an inhereted problems which is being passed from MT to LR and now onwards to SE. The platers I mentioned above seem to be a constant in the equations whereas the managers are not.

NWC, excuse me but I'm intrigued by your post. Can you clarify for me that you are saying it's all been passed down from MT?

He, MT, had spent the largest budget any Manager had been given by Tony. So in essence, who he brought in were crocks and has beens on very very large salaries that failed miserably. True, LR was given nothing to really work with apart from bringing in his mate from Wigan, Charlie Wyke.

Fast forward to Evo and he along with Raynor disbanded that crock of players by 17 was it? and brought in 14 of HIS own choice. It's fair to say that because if any were Scott's choice and they didn't fit his remit, Evo would have said no. Am I correct so far?

[NorthWestCorner]

NWC, excuse me but I'm intrigued by your post. Can you clarify for me that you are saying it's all been passed down from MT?

He, MT, had spent the largest budget any Manager had been given by Tony. So in essence, who he brought in were crocks and has beens on very very large salaries that failed miserably. True, LR was given nothing to really work with apart from bringing in his mate from Wigan, Charlie Wyke.

Fast forward to Evo and he along with Raynor disbanded that crock of players by 17 was it? and brought in 14 of HIS own choice. It's fair to say that because if any were Scott's choice and they didn't fit his remit, Evo would have said no. Am I correct so far?

Attitudes, nothing to do with fitness. The four I mentioned seem to me like they are not interested. I dont care whether they subscride to SEs methods or not - they are under contract at the club and are carrying off considerable wages. Two of the four (Hughill and Tiehi) have in my view never been interested since they joined. Poor signings, MTs error. I suspect they think they are bigger and better than RUFC. Two of the signings Humphries and Oddofin played well before but clearly dont like what SE is telling them but........neither has performed this season which is an absolute disgrace. The former clearly can't be arsed with the physicality of the league which is what I say with my own eyes at both Leyton Orient and Crawley. The latter has just disappered up his own arse and clearly sees his future elsewhere. Easy to blame SE for where we are and I will admit he has made some poor decisions this year but the players need to take their responsibility as well. Important to note that at least 3 of the above will be gone in January and dont give a toss. The other - well, nobody will want.

[mygiddypant]

You've already made your mind up so I wont bother trying to debate it with you - but try reading the post properly without being a smart-arse, it might keep your blood pressure down.

"You've already made your mind up..."

There speaks the man (?) wearing noise-cancelling cans, blinkers and rose-tinted specs.

[Steve Miller]

My abuse?!!! Just look at your language on this thread alone.
And as for your threat of violence, you better watch that. I'm not frightened of you ...and certainly not of the busted milk bag pal.

[caytonmiller]

Attitudes, nothing to do with fitness. The four I mentioned seem to me like they are not interested. I dont care whether they subscride to SEs methods or not - they are under contract at the club and are carrying off considerable wages. Two of the four (Hughill and Tiehi) have in my view never been interested since they joined. Poor signings, MTs error. I suspect they think they are bigger and better than RUFC. Two of the signings Humphries and Oddofin played well before but clearly dont like what SE is telling them but........neither has performed this season which is an absolute disgrace. The former clearly can't be arsed with the physicality of the league which is what I say with my own eyes at both Leyton Orient and Crawley. The latter has just disappered up his own arse and clearly sees his future elsewhere. Easy to blame SE for where we are and I will admit he has made some poor decisions this year but the players need to take their responsibility as well. Important to note that at least 3 of the above will be gone in January and dont give a toss. The other - well, nobody will want.

Got to agree with north on this. Grinds me when players down tools and don't play for the managers...
Yeah if you don't like his tactics fair enough but to stroll about and not look interested is stackable offence imo.
Don't agree about odoffin though. He has been messed about over his contract and played in every position bar his best one. The lad must think he's being moved on at the end of the season