Player ratings vs. Salford City 14.12.24

[Woodypie]

I?m not as convinced as some that there is an issue between SM and DC. There are enough experienced pros in the dressing room to quash any players thinking they are bigger and better than what?s being asked of them.
If there is an issue it would be a wider issue than simply DC.

I have an issue with SM - he's crap.

[durhampie]

I have an issue with SM - he's crap.

You cant argue with that..

[BigFatPie]

To be clear, my comment you maybe accidentally half quoted referred to "any and all" football clubs, and without doubt there are some clubs where the fans' expectations massively outstrip the resources available. Nottingham Forest for many years had that problem. At times the weight of expectation (European Champions/Clough etc.) on a fairly ordinary group of Championship/League One-level players had a negative effect. It could yet become the case again if Forest fans fall into the trap of thinking their success this season is sustainable every year (which they probably will!)

I actually agree with your comment in another post that a club with Notts County's resources should be at least League Two level, League One probably as par, and maybe Championship if we get everything right with a fair wind.

Unfortunately for the current owners, they inherited the club in a shocking state, two leagues below where it should be, but they are steadily and sustainably building us back in the right direction. I think it's reasonable to acknowledge their success in getting us back from the National league, and the fundamental soundness of their strategy, without being accused of being a "nodding dog" or foregoing your right to express concern at those times when we're in an 'ebb' rather than a flow'. In fact, I'm pretty sure the owners themselves will have had the same concerns in recent weeks that you (and BFP above) are expressing, and which I share.

I referred in my post to 'trial and error'. It could turn out in the next few weeks that Stuart Maynard's tenure will go down as an 'error', but at this stage things are still recoverable. Read the match thread from the Salford game and I certainly wasn't holding back my criticism of the performance or the manager's tactics, and I expressed concern that there was something deeply wrong with vibe of the team on the day. For Maynard's sake I hope it was a bad day at the office and that the team will react in a way that shows their commitment to him in the next few games, especially as the injured players begin to return, but it goes without saying that if we see any repeats of the Salford debacle then the pressure on the Head Coach will only increase. It doesn't mean that everything the club has been doing for the past five years is suddenly wrong, but it might be that a component or two needs changing or tweaking in order to protect and resume the undoubted progress made to date.

There's certainly no agenda on my part to accept second best, but I do realise that any journey upwards has its difficult moments and setbacks, much like our journey downwards under previous owners had its false dawns.

I agree with pretty much everything you say about how the owners are right to want to run a self sustainable club. What Id add is that when you want to run a football club on that basis its even more important that you get the key personnel right.

They had a chance to admit to their own mistake after the five successive home defeats last season and the general level of results but instead they tried to persuade everyone that actually night is day and their choice was the right one if we were patient enough. The informed opinion seems to be that their man is getting this season come what may which if true I think is a bit of a dereliction of duty, though in football we all know things can change quickly.

As I said earlier those 10,000 fans wont turn up indefinitely to watch the dross of 2024.,

[SmiffyPie]

I agree with pretty much everything you say about how the owners are right to want to run a self sustainable club. What Id add is that when you want to run a football club on that basis its even more important that you get the key personnel right.

They had a chance to admit to their own mistake after the five successive home defeats last season and the general level of results but instead they tried to persuade everyone that actually night is day and their choice was the right one if we were patient enough. The informed opinion seems to be that their man is getting this season come what may which if true I think is a bit of a dereliction of duty, though in football we all know things can change quickly.

As I said earlier those 10,000 fans wont turn up indefinitely to watch the dross of 2024.,

Nor will the 10000 remain patient if sustainability become the predominant factor and promotion, for want of a better word, becomes an ever receding target.

[Boomerangpie]

The fact the attendance figure of 10,000 is being quoted tells me all I need to know about the owners.

Past owners have put promotion comfortably ahead of sustainability or worse still not even considered sustainability at all and look where that got the club. Were we seeing 10,000 then? Were we seeing even 5,000? It sure gives some much needed perspective.

Unless we progress through the leagues in a relatively regular basis , which history tells us is rare, 10,000 is unlikely to be sustainable for Notts. Let?s imagine a drop in average attendances of 20 or even 25% to the 7-8000 mark in League 2 due to dross on the pitch. Is that as disastrous as some are desperately trying to make out?

Football is a rollercoaster as are football attendances that?s inevitable but the only difference is the ups and down of our attendances will very likely be at a much higher level than before. More perspective.

Maybe they simple judge everything including their head coach over a much longer period than supporters

[BigFatPie]

Nor will the 10000 remain patient if sustainability become the predominant factor and promotion, for want of a better word, becomes an ever receding target.

Funnily enough, Im not even sure promotion is that important. Our time in the NL seems to suggest winning games on a regular basis and entertaining football seem to be enough to get the punters in.

The unfortunate thing is we?re not entertaining or winning matches currently and haven?t done for most of the year.

[maddogslater]

Agreed again fatty, what's wrong with me ?
Entertaining in the home games is the bread and butter and Maynard seems to be getting further away from that the more home games he has.
Away games are even meaner fair, the last 3 I've been to Doncaster crewe and Salford have yielded 1 point 1 goal for and 6 against, thanks Maynard.

[nw6pie]

Funnily enough, Im not even sure promotion is that important. Our time in the NL seems to suggest winning games on a regular basis and entertaining football seem to be enough to get the punters in.

The unfortunate thing is we?re not entertaining or winning matches currently and haven?t done for most of the year.

Entertaining football and winning games also helps generate a good atmosphere, which is also important for attracting new fans/keeping the existing ones who’ve jumped on board in recent seasons.

We’re talking about 10,000 in these posts, but I’m hoping the club are looking at 15,000 - and then full houses - as the long-term goal.

If the Reedtz can’t by themselves deliver the budget that will help us grow, at what point do they look to bring another investor on board who can take us to the next level?

[SmiffyPie]

If the Reedtz can?t by themselves deliver the budget that will help us grow, at what point do they look to bring another investor on board who can take us to the next level?

That is my whole point when posting about "Pedal to the Metal" stuff. Not necessarily about another investor as such but getting to the next level. Without the desire to see your team achieve and be better than the rest what is the point?

[SwalePie]

I agree with pretty much everything you say about how the owners are right to want to run a self sustainable club. What Id add is that when you want to run a football club on that basis its even more important that you get the key personnel right.

They had a chance to admit to their own mistake after the five successive home defeats last season and the general level of results but instead they tried to persuade everyone that actually night is day and their choice was the right one if we were patient enough. The informed opinion seems to be that their man is getting this season come what may which if true I think is a bit of a dereliction of duty, though in football we all know things can change quickly.

As I said earlier those 10,000 fans wont turn up indefinitely to watch the dross of 2024.,

The Bros. don't strike me as remotely arrogant so I can't imagine they'd have any problem admitting to a mistake once the data have shown them that they've made one. I'm sure they're prepared for all eventualities with a shortlist drawn up in case.