Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Ah so an alliance of billionaires intent on exploiting the average voter is the salvation of the average voter? Mm clearly people are dimmer than I thought they were.

[Ramshank72]

The reality of listening to this charlatan is sinking in. Lies upon lies. Starmer's Labour, helped into power by voters' frustration with 14 years of Conservative government, has suffered a number of early setbacks including an outcry over ministers accepting freebies and the fallout of a badly received tax-raising budget.
The YouGov poll, which surveyed 2,279 people over the past two days, said only 54% of people who voted Labour in the last election would do so again.

A reform/ con alliance will be the end of Labour

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-...ty-2025-01-14/

Won't happen. Labour will be here for a while. Be careful of making an argument that goes against your previous stance, which dismissed polls of Brexit voters changing their minds. You can't have it both ways just because it suits.

[swaledale]

Won't happen. Labour will be here for a while. Be careful of making an argument that goes against your previous stance, which dismissed polls of Brexit voters changing their minds. You can't have it both ways just because it suits.

I think you have read enough of our red "friends" posts to know that he believes whatever drivel suits his twisted view of the world. Reality and facts not being a strong point of his to be fair.

[MadAmster]

They get dafter. 6 released by Trump. They'd been causing mayhem at an abortion clinic. Physical and verbal abuse of staff and patients. Now they've been released, Trumpists are saying they'd been jailed for "praying" at the clinic. Utter BS but, as we all on here are aware, there are those who will believe what they want to believe.

[MadAmster]

A casual acquaintance of mine posted this 4 years ago and has just reposted it. Food for thought...

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough with which his predecessor when first elected, Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief. Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty. Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down. So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that: Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are. You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man. This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a **** was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

[ramAnag]

A casual acquaintance of mine posted this 4 years ago and has just reposted it. Food for thought...

?Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?? Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:
A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace ? all qualities, funnily enough with which his predecessor when first elected, Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump?s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief. Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing ? not once, ever. I don?t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility ? for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it?s a fact. He doesn?t even seem to understand what a joke is ? his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty. Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn?t just talk in crude, witless insults ? he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness. There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It?s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don?t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He?s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He?s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.
And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff ? the Queensberry rules of basic decency ? and he breaks them all. He punches downwards ? which a gentleman should, would, could never do ? and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless ? and he kicks them when they are down. So the fact that a significant minority ? perhaps a third ? of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ?Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy? is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that: Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are. You don?t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man. This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it?s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of ****. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws ? he would make a Trump. And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ?My God? what? have? I? created?' If being a **** was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

Brilliant. Absolutely spot on!

[ramAnag]

Whilst on the subject of credibility, compassion, sensitivity and humility, it may be that now is the time for apologies to be offered by some in the tragic case of Axel Rudakubana.

As some of us pointed out at the time the subsequent rioting in Southport was a complete disgrace and wholly unjustified. There was no conspiracy, there was no link to political terrorism, the perpetrator was not an illegal immigrant and the rioting was politically motivated.

It was as tragic a case as I can remember, but it was the result of the evil actions of a chronically damaged and seriously maladjusted young male loner who is now, correctly imo, going to spend the vast majority of his life - should he last very long - behind bars.

[MadAmster]

Whilst on the subject of credibility, compassion, sensitivity and humility, it may be that now is the time for apologies to be offered by some in the tragic case of Axel Rudakubana.

As some of us pointed out at the time the subsequent rioting in Southport was a complete disgrace and wholly unjustified. There was no conspiracy, there was no link to political terrorism, the perpetrator was not an illegal immigrant and the rioting was politically motivated.

It was as tragic a case as I can remember, but it was the result of the evil actions of a chronically damaged and seriously maladjusted young male loner who is now, correctly imo, going to spend the vast majority of his life - should he last very long - behind bars.

Unless kept out of GenPop, I don't see him lasting long. Either somebody who's already in there "forever" who wants the plaudits he'll get from other inmates or the lad's violent temperament will come to the fore and he'll have a go at someone and get put out of his mysery

[Andy_Faber]

Unless kept out of GenPop, I don't see him lasting long. Either somebody who's already in there "forever" who wants the plaudits he'll get from other inmates or the lad's violent temperament will come to the fore and he'll have a go at someone and get put out of his mysery

yes that went through my mind

[Trickytreesreds]

Whilst on the subject of credibility, compassion, sensitivity and humility, it may be that now is the time for apologies to be offered by some in the tragic case of Axel Rudakubana.

As some of us pointed out at the time the subsequent rioting in Southport was a complete disgrace and wholly unjustified. There was no conspiracy, there was no link to political terrorism, the perpetrator was not an illegal immigrant and the rioting was politically motivated.

It was as tragic a case as I can remember, but it was the result of the evil actions of a chronically damaged and seriously maladjusted young male loner who is now, correctly imo, going to spend the vast majority of his life - should he last very long - behind bars.

The rioting was wholely on the part of the government and the police, hiding the truth from the public.
They claimed it wasn't a terror attack? Al Queda terror manuals, making ricin, 2019 to May 2022:

Police have several interactions with him, including responding to five calls from his home address relating to concerns about his behaviour. On each occasion, referrals are made to a multi-agency safeguarding hub.

Three referrals are also made by education providers to the Government anti-extremism scheme Prevent between December 2019 and April 2021.

He was aged between 13 and 14.

Then you have his father, who was allowed here by Blair, still has question marks hanging over him regarding Rwanda genocide.

Now factor in succesive governments reluctance to admit anything, Then Keir Starmer holding press conferences to condemn those suggesting any connection to Islam as ?Far Right?. Starmer knew of the ricin and Al-Qaeda manual found in Rudabukana?s home almost immediately after the search; and of the terror charges two weeks before the Crown Prosecution Service announced them'

Yet compare to this one- A knifeman with Adolf Hitler?s signature tattooed on his arm has been jailed for life for the attempted murder of an asylum seeker at a hotel, claiming the attack was a ?form of protest? against small boat crossings.

Callum Ulysses Parslow, who wrote his own ?terrorist manifesto?, stabbed Nahom Hagos in the chest and hand at the Pear Tree Inn at Hindlip, Worcestershire, in April last year after buying a ?specialist? knife online for 1,000 US dollars (?770). Declared a terrorist attack from the off!

There is a narrative here, that kicks in, when certain ethnicities and religious allegiace's raise their heads.

Had the government stepped up to the plate with simple facts, from day one, those riots could have been avoided.