Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

To an extent, yes. But there was a huge amount of misinformation put forward via social media and certain politicians claiming, amongst other things, that the perpetrator had recently arrived on a small boat. Given the political climate at the time we all know why and that, imo, is why social media is so dangerous. It mobilises dangerous half wits who don’t want to have their prejudices fact checked.

The media and government has hidden/ withheld loads to protect themselves in many situations, as well as this one. Starmer currently rund a 3 tier answer to all the countrys problems= 14 years of tory rule/ the black hole/ the far right. Its pathetic.
To label everyone far right who objects to mass immigration and the rise in knife crime/ *** crimes/ normal crimes/ terror attacks is an affront to every citizen with a free voice.

Watch this Sky news woman, react when the topic gets too close to the knuckle
https://www.facebook.com/share/r/155g2tyKRN/

[Trickytreesreds]

Its funny, how certain people are in jail for spreading hate on social media and Starmer calls it out.
Yet perhaps people under his nose need to be in jail as well?

Have folks forgotten this ?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...ologise-update

[ramAnag]

Isn't all misinformation targeting some objective or group or other? A bloke called Goebbels used it quite well and successive groups on all sides of the political spectrum have followed suit. Struggling to see why this example is any different, other than in your own particular mindset (that got spell checked to peculiar first time of writing).

Couldn’t agree more with your Goebbels comment, but many of the examples you introduced or the example of the Poll tax rioters didn’t involve misinformation and were targeting a cause rather than deliberately inciting mistrust/hatred of another ethnic/religious group.

[ramAnag]

Its funny, how certain people are in jail for spreading hate on social media and Starmer calls it out.
Yet perhaps people under his nose need to be in jail as well?

What’s funny, although in the circumstances that’s an entirely inappropriate word, is the way in which you shapeshift and deflect when you’re losing the argument.

On 29th October you wrote ‘So it was another Islam motivated crime then?’

Later the same day you added, ‘It is Islamic terrorism and the government/Police decided to hush it up.’

On 30th October you concluded, ‘that the rioters weren’t that far wrong in their anger…’

No, it wasn’t, it was the crazed and undeniably evil actions of a seriously maladjusted adolescent.

No, it wasn’t and no they didn’t. They couldn’t share what they knew at that time.

Yes they were. Nothing the rioters did helped at all and they were acting, at best, on the basis of malicious misinformation.

[Geoff Parkstone]

It makes you angry doesn't it. Its absolutely heart breaking what's happened, I can't imagine the horror those poor girls and the other victims , must have gone through.

I don't really support the death sentence, though cases like this test my resolve. I think probably the ideal result would be some big bruiser have hold of him and do the job we can't do.

If I'd heard he died in prison, yeah I think I'd think that's justice.

|We need to crowd fund a reward for anyone completing the task - maybe a just giving page...

[Geoff Parkstone]

Couldn’t agree more with your Goebbels comment, but many of the examples you introduced or the example of the Poll tax rioters didn’t involve misinformation and were targeting a cause rather than deliberately inciting mistrust/hatred of another ethnic/religious group.

Misinformation about a cause is not so bad then? Misinformation about eg Muslims isn't?

Never let me hear you mention the Brexit bus again....

[ramAnag]

Misinformation about a cause is not so bad then? Misinformation about eg Muslims isn't?

Never let me hear you mention the Brexit bus again....

Fair point and fine lines. Both wrong, but I feel misinformation aimed at discrediting a race or religion is more malicious.

[Andy_Faber]

Fair point and fine lines. Both wrong, but I feel misinformation aimed at discrediting a race or religion is more malicious.

Which I feel you?ve done repeatedly against Christians when retorting against tricky rants, possibly more generalising than discretion but still misinforming. IMO the rioting, abhorrent as it was, and the rise of ?the right?, is the tip of an iceberg of frustration against an ?intelligencia? pushing a pro-diversity, anti-tradition narrative. My wandering s offer me a thousands anecdotes to that effect, but I?m not allowed to offer them?

[swaledale]

Which I feel you?ve done repeatedly against Christians when retorting against tricky rants, possibly more generalising than discretion but still misinforming. IMO the rioting, abhorrent as it was, and the rise of ?the right?, is the tip of an iceberg of frustration against an ?intelligencia? pushing a pro-diversity, anti-tradition narrative. My wandering s offer me a thousands anecdotes to that effect, but I?m not allowed to offer them?

Pushing a pro diversity, anti tradition narrative? Mm I think you've been reading to much fake propaganda again to spout such tosh. As for your anecdotes, of course your allowed to offer them, its just that those of us with half a brain realise they are nothing more than stories, that can easily be countered by other anecdotes which demonstrate the opposite to what you claim. Plus anybody who as you have done in the past professes to be concerned by a perception that there are "too many ethnic presenters etc. appearing in the media" clearly has an inbuilt prejudice.

If one looks at the facts, the vast majority of the rioters were narrow minded wasters who weren't actually rebelling against anything but jumped on the band wagon joined the mob to enhance their petty boring lives.

If you really cant see that certain people with influence, the name Farage comes to mind, are pushing an agenda of scapegoating certain sectors of the community in order to stir up the frustrations (many of them understandable but in no way related to immigration or Muslims) on behalf and funded by certain elite billionaires who don't give a toss about ether the lives of these people or indeed these "traditions" your mentioning, then unfortunately you clearly lack the capability to understand what's going on.

Your comments also suggest - encouraging diversity upsets you, though quite why encouraging the participation and respect for those in society who have "traditionally" been discriminated against, disrespected and had their life options severely curtailed due to narrow prejudice is a problem is quite puzzling. Indeed as a self claimed "Christian" I would ahve thought you would welcome a more equal and fair society, but there again IF all those who proclaimed to be followers of Christ, the world would be a very different place.

Anti-tradition - yep life moves on, traditions change, always have always will, sad that many people as they get older become less flexible, less willing to accept that life is different today, but thats inevitable and no amount of harking back will change this.

Also many "traditions" are nothing more than rituals designed to keep people in their place and are better for their abandonment.

Oh and the guy in the Southport atrocity was raised as a Christian, funny nobody is calling for the mass deportations/ punishment of Christians isn't it?

[ramAnag]

Which I feel you?ve done repeatedly against Christians when retorting against tricky rants,

I’m sorry Andy but that’s probably the daftest thing you’ve ever written. I’d be offended if I took any notice of you these days.

I’d love you to provide one example of me being anti Christian. I may well have been critical of certain church leaders but, for the record, I believe all organised religion to be based on little more than elaborate fairy stories and I believe that, perversely throughout history, more people have died in the name of one god or other than virtually anything else. Having said that I believe Jesus Christ to be one of the greatest role models of all. I’m just able to put him in the same category as the likes of Robin Hood and Gandalf.

You could also perhaps provide an example of what opinions you feel you’re not allowed to offer.