O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Mapperleypie]

It probably won't for the Deputy. Trump will cry foul no doubt.

I doubt it. Releasing them for him was all about him being able to still say the 2020 election was stolen and they were somehow justified in their actions.

They have served that purpose for Trump and I suspect he no longer gives two shiny ones as it does not benefit him personally in any way.

[Lullapie]

I doubt it. Releasing them for him was all about him being able to still say the 2020 election was stolen and they were somehow justified in their actions.

They have served that purpose for Trump and I suspect he no longer gives two shiny ones as it does not benefit him personally in any way.

What the lot of you seem to miss is that Trump pardoned 1,550 people when returning to office. Nearly 900 of those were for non-violent offences - mainly trespass. The conjecture was that he would only pardon those of the 6th January event that had committed non-violent acts, but Trump pardoned all of them. In fact all of those he pardoned had been convicted at trial.

However, compare this to Biden. He has pardoned more than 8,000 people. This is far more than any other President. Thousands of Biden's pardons were for serious criminals (murderers, pedophiles and people convicted of committing serious fraud). He has also given pre-emptive pardons to his family and many of his close supporters. Pre-emptive in the fact that they have been pardoned for acts that they haven't been charged or convicted of, but these acts might be discovered at a later date and the individuals may have had to give evidence against Biden. Many of Biden's pardons benefit him directly. As far as I can see, none of Trumps benefit him directly.

If Trump had done the same, those with TDS would be shouting from their keyboards that all of those he had pardoned in advance had DEFINITELY done something wrong and he was only pardoning them to protect himself.

Additionally, Trump let it be known, prior to the election, that he was going to pardon many of those involved in 6th January. He was voted in with a mandate. Biden did no such thing.

The big mistake that Biden made was that by pardoning those connected to the Biden dynasty, he took away their right to invoke the Fifth Amendment if they are called before a Congressional Hearing, thus forcing them to give evidence if subpoenaed.

They can't 'plead the Fifth' as they will have no chance of incriminating themselves being already pardoned. I'm looking forward to seeing how that will play out.

Biden and his advisors have changed the political landscape in the US in a very negative way. He has done things that no other President has ever done and his cronies not only ignore it, but go on to say that Trump was thinking of doing it first. That's how they explain everything away. 'Joe has to pre-emptively break the law to prevent Trump from doing it'.

[Jampie]

However, compare this to Biden. He has pardoned more than 8,000 people. This is far more than any other President. Thousands of Biden's pardons were for serious criminals (murderers, pedophiles and people convicted of committing serious fraud). He has also given pre-emptive pardons to his family and many of his close supporters. Pre-emptive in the fact that they have been pardoned for acts that they haven't been charged or convicted of, but these acts might be discovered at a later date and the individuals may have had to give evidence against Biden. Many of Biden's pardons benefit him directly. As far as I can see, none of Trumps benefit him directly.

If Trump had done the same, those with TDS would be shouting from their keyboards that all of those he had pardoned in advance had DEFINITELY done something wrong and he was only pardoning them to protect himself.

I don't defend Biden pardoning anyone. Like most non-americans I think the idea of a presidential pardon subverts the role of the courts and democracy itself and should definitely be done away with.

But the notion that Biden's pardons somehow benefit Biden (what evidence do you have which makes you believe this?) while Trumps don't is utterly ridiculous. The Jan 6 crowd Trump has pardoned tried to stop the guy that beat Trump last election getting certified as president. It was an incompetent attempt, sure, but a coup attempt nonetheless. You can't join the dots and see how Trump pardoning these people might embolden like-minded folk to do it again in the future? Seriously? This hasn't crossed your mind at all?

You mention TDS... you have it. You are a huge victim of TDS. You see him acting in his self interests and ascribe these actions somehow to altruism. You see him acting out of ignorance (tariffs) and ascribe this to some master strategy for which there is zero evidence and doesn't make sense. Tariffs will hurt the US more than anyone else. Trump is threatening self-harm. The rest of the world is looking on in wonder at his stupidity, not quaking in their boots.

You mention a mandate... well, he promised tariffs and is already walking it back. Trump doesn't care about mandates. His mandates last time were "lock her up!" (didn't even try) and "build that wall" (no wall was built) "and make Mexico pay for it" (Mexico did not, in fact, pay for it). All he achieved last time was stacking the supreme court and giving the wealthiest people a huge tax cut. Great achievements from a certain point of view, but not what he ran on.

[BigFatPie]

I don't defend Biden pardoning anyone. Like most non-americans I think the idea of a presidential pardon subverts the role of the courts and democracy itself and should definitely be done away with.

But the notion that Biden's pardons somehow benefit Biden (what evidence do you have which makes you believe this?) while Trumps don't is utterly ridiculous. The Jan 6 crowd Trump has pardoned tried to stop the guy that beat Trump last election getting certified as president. It was an incompetent attempt, sure, but a coup attempt nonetheless. You can't join the dots and see how Trump pardoning these people might embolden like-minded folk to do it again in the future? Seriously? This hasn't crossed your mind at all?

You mention TDS... you have it. You are a huge victim of TDS. You see him acting in his self interests and ascribe these actions somehow to altruism. You see him acting out of ignorance (tariffs) and ascribe this to some master strategy for which there is zero evidence and doesn't make sense. Tariffs will hurt the US more than anyone else. Trump is threatening self-harm. The rest of the world is looking on in wonder at his stupidity, not quaking in their boots.

You mention a mandate... well, he promised tariffs and is already walking it back. Trump doesn't care about mandates. His mandates last time were "lock her up!" (didn't even try) and "build that wall" (no wall was built) "and make Mexico pay for it" (Mexico did not, in fact, pay for it). All he achieved last time was stacking the supreme court and giving the wealthiest people a huge tax cut. Great achievements from a certain point of view, but not what he ran on.

Agree with that. Amidst all the usual nonsense and whataboutery admitting that people who would agree with him voted to release violent criminals isnt the great argument lullapie thinks it is.