o/t global warming

[MadAmster]

I may be wrong but didn't the term "global warming" get superseded by "climate change" or similar?

A change caused by the greater understanding of what's going on? It's not just the temperature. There's the crazy number of cyclone/hurricane/tornado occurrences that are getting more frequent and larger in size and speed and destructive capabilities. The disappearance of the traditional 4 seasons into a vague shadow of their former selves. When it's windy it's a hurricane. When it rains it's a deluge. When it's sunny it's 30+ degrees. Even the weather seems polarised, it's either very benign or downright dangerous with no in between.

The constant use of the words "global warming" by those of a certain persuasion shows they're not really keeping up with current trends. They also pick a day when it's -2 and there's 4mm of snow to pooh-pooh "global warming".

Here in NL, we were told that 2024 was the warmest year on record. That information was clarified by the term "worldwide average temperature". Those of said persuasion immediately shouted "not here it wasn't". Happy to ignore "worldwide average temperature".

We also had the wettest spring, a dry summer which has led to crop failure and higher food prices. The current LA fires were made possible by the very wet spring which saw far more vegetation grow than normal. Then there was the dry summer which left the larger than normal amount of vegetation tinder dry. Add in the high speed winds and any fire, natural, accidental or arson and you have the perfect firestorm. That's what they got.

We'll get more of this kind of thing worldwide. There seems to be more and bigger wildfires than we used to get. More and greater floods. More and more wind damage. Climate change, not global warming.

It's strange really. Going by the outpourings of "those of a certain persuasion" there was little or no information given to the UK public on Covid. Here in NL we knew, for each vaccine, from the 2 stages of testing run and completed (there were more they skipped as they perceived there to be less danger from using a not yet fully tested vaccine than there would be from waiting 3 to 5 years for the rest of the normal testing routine to be done and reported on, the percentage of those on whom it worked, how long it would be effective, the known side effects and we were also told that, due to the short testing period, any mid to long term side effects were unknown. According to the "more active on social media anti vaxxers" they were told nothing about the vaccine. How on earth were the Dutch given all the info available yet the UK, apparently weren't? Selective memory, perhaps?

So, to precis, on climate and on the Covid vaccine, it seems that the UK population weren't given anything like the information the Dutch were. Is this true or is there a group of a certain persuasion who either buried there heads in the sand, fingers in ears and going nernernernernerner when they were given the info or decided to ignore it because it didn't match their own narrative?

Whatever the answer to the question above, I'm glad I live here and not there, although we do have our fair share of lunatics.

[Andy_Faber]

I may be wrong but didn't the term "global warming" get superseded by "climate change" or similar?

A change caused by the greater understanding of what's going on? It's not just the temperature. There's the crazy number of cyclone/hurricane/tornado occurrences that are getting more frequent and larger in size and speed and destructive capabilities. The disappearance of the traditional 4 seasons into a vague shadow of their former selves. When it's windy it's a hurricane. When it rains it's a deluge. When it's sunny it's 30+ degrees. Even the weather seems polarised, it's either very benign or downright dangerous with no in between.

The constant use of the words "global warming" by those of a certain persuasion shows they're not really keeping up with current trends. They also pick a day when it's -2 and there's 4mm of snow to pooh-pooh "global warming".

Here in NL, we were told that 2024 was the warmest year on record. That information was clarified by the term "worldwide average temperature". Those of said persuasion immediately shouted "not here it wasn't". Happy to ignore "worldwide average temperature".

We also had the wettest spring, a dry summer which has led to crop failure and higher food prices. The current LA fires were made possible by the very wet spring which saw far more vegetation grow than normal. Then there was the dry summer which left the larger than normal amount of vegetation tinder dry. Add in the high speed winds and any fire, natural, accidental or arson and you have the perfect firestorm. That's what they got.

We'll get more of this kind of thing worldwide. There seems to be more and bigger wildfires than we used to get. More and greater floods. More and more wind damage. Climate change, not global warming.

It's strange really. Going by the outpourings of "those of a certain persuasion" there was little or no information given to the UK public on Covid. Here in NL we knew, for each vaccine, from the 2 stages of testing run and completed (there were more they skipped as they perceived there to be less danger from using a not yet fully tested vaccine than there would be from waiting 3 to 5 years for the rest of the normal testing routine to be done and reported on, the percentage of those on whom it worked, how long it would be effective, the known side effects and we were also told that, due to the short testing period, any mid to long term side effects were unknown. According to the "more active on social media anti vaxxers" they were told nothing about the vaccine. How on earth were the Dutch given all the info available yet the UK, apparently weren't? Selective memory, perhaps?

So, to precis, on climate and on the Covid vaccine, it seems that the UK population weren't given anything like the information the Dutch were. Is this true or is there a group of a certain persuasion who either buried there heads in the sand, fingers in ears and going nernernernernerner when they were given the info or decided to ignore it because it didn't match their own narrative?

Whatever the answer to the question above, I'm glad I live here and not there, although we do have our fair share of lunatics.

We have it rammed down our throats by the media believe me. One of the BBC?s (I refer to BBC because I watch it most) five cornerstone causes. But it?s not government-sanctioned info albeit it?s mostly fact, albeit arguably slanted fact

As a matter of interest ( not just you MA) on a scale of 1-10 where do we all think we are regarding our awareness of the issue and commitment to the cause? I?d put myself at 7/10 awareness, 5/10 commitment - and there are lots of contradictions, eg my current car is 24 years old and 9 times recycled and ULEZ compliant BUT it does about 20mpg. Any I fly maybe 8 times a year but I recycle diligently (according to council rules). So contradictions there

[ramAnag]

I may be wrong but didn't the term "global warming" get superseded by "climate change" or similar?

A change caused by the greater understanding of what's going on? It's not just the temperature. There's the crazy number of cyclone/hurricane/tornado occurrences that are getting more frequent and larger in size and speed and destructive capabilities. The disappearance of the traditional 4 seasons into a vague shadow of their former selves. When it's windy it's a hurricane. When it rains it's a deluge. When it's sunny it's 30+ degrees. Even the weather seems polarised, it's either very benign or downright dangerous with no in between.

The constant use of the words "global warming" by those of a certain persuasion shows they're not really keeping up with current trends. They also pick a day when it's -2 and there's 4mm of snow to pooh-pooh "global warming".

Here in NL, we were told that 2024 was the warmest year on record. That information was clarified by the term "worldwide average temperature". Those of said persuasion immediately shouted "not here it wasn't". Happy to ignore "worldwide average temperature".

We also had the wettest spring, a dry summer which has led to crop failure and higher food prices. The current LA fires were made possible by the very wet spring which saw far more vegetation grow than normal. Then there was the dry summer which left the larger than normal amount of vegetation tinder dry. Add in the high speed winds and any fire, natural, accidental or arson and you have the perfect firestorm. That's what they got.

We'll get more of this kind of thing worldwide. There seems to be more and bigger wildfires than we used to get. More and greater floods. More and more wind damage. Climate change, not global warming.

It's strange really. Going by the outpourings of "those of a certain persuasion" there was little or no information given to the UK public on Covid. Here in NL we knew, for each vaccine, from the 2 stages of testing run and completed (there were more they skipped as they perceived there to be less danger from using a not yet fully tested vaccine than there would be from waiting 3 to 5 years for the rest of the normal testing routine to be done and reported on, the percentage of those on whom it worked, how long it would be effective, the known side effects and we were also told that, due to the short testing period, any mid to long term side effects were unknown. According to the "more active on social media anti vaxxers" they were told nothing about the vaccine. How on earth were the Dutch given all the info available yet the UK, apparently weren't? Selective memory, perhaps?

So, to precis, on climate and on the Covid vaccine, it seems that the UK population weren't given anything like the information the Dutch were. Is this true or is there a group of a certain persuasion who either buried there heads in the sand, fingers in ears and going nernernernernerner when they were given the info or decided to ignore it because it didn't match their own narrative?

Whatever the answer to the question above, I'm glad I live here and not there, although we do have our fair share of lunatics.

I think you’re right, MA and the term climate change has superseded and is far more appropriate than global warming.

It’s almost impossible to claim a lack of awareness because it has, rightly, been a high profile issue amongst our more responsible news providers for probably two decades now.

Unfortunately we haven’t learned many lessons and, at a personal level, my sense of awareness is only equalled by my sense of helplessness.
After all does it make any difference at all what you and I, or our respective national populations, do when the U.S, Russia, China, Indonesia, South Africa, India and Australia carry on on their merry way?