O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Lullapie]

Wow! I didn't think anyone would stoop so low as to defend Trump on this, but I forgot you are on the same level as him. I wasn't on about details, because the cause of this event is still to be investigated. What I was on about is Trump disgracefully using a tragedy to score political points. The fact you completely missed that says a lot about you.

He is the President of the USA. Commander in Chief and in charge of everything that goes off with regards to the country. I can't believe that you would defend not questioning what could be a cause of the accident.

I suppose you'd prefer setting up a committee, that would look into setting up a tribunal, that would take 2 years to report back and cost a fortune and run the risk of more passengers dying?

Do you know that it was Trump who grounded the Boeing fleet in 2019 when there were serious concerns that had befallen the MAX class after the US Federal Aviation Administration had dilly-dallied for months before taking any decision? Probably not. That decision possibly saved hundreds, if not thousands of lives. The FAA were in Boeing's pockets and were one of the last Aviation Authorities in the world to take the step, after Trump stepped in and forced them into action.

His actions probably don't much precedence from where you get your information.

There is the real world and there is the world of jaw-jaw.

[Elite_Pie]

He is the President of the USA. Commander in Chief and in charge of everything that goes off with regards to the country. I can't believe that you would defend not questioning what could be a cause of the accident.

Are you f*cking real? He wasn't "questioning what could be a cause of the accident", he was trying to score cheap political points in the hours after 67 people lost their lives. He didn't care in the slightest about them and their families, his thoughts were entirely how he could use the situation to his advantage. I'm glad you showed your true colours, there's no point in me hurling insults at you because you've already done it for me.

[SmiffyPie]

Are you f*cking real? He wasn't "questioning what could be a cause of the accident", he was trying to score cheap political points in the hours after 67 people lost their lives. He didn't care in the slightest about them and their families, his thoughts were entirely how he could use the situation to his advantage.

No doubt about that at all.

[Old_pie]

He is the President of the USA. Commander in Chief and in charge of everything that goes off with regards to the country. I can't believe that you would defend not questioning what could be a cause of the accident.

I suppose you'd prefer setting up a committee, that would look into setting up a tribunal, that would take 2 years to report back and cost a fortune and run the risk of more passengers dying?

Well you certainly run the risk of more passengers dying if you mis-identify the cause of this horrific accident. Even experts on PPRUNE are not fully clear on what happened. Or are you saying there was a non-Texan in the control tower or a non-redneck flying the chopper and that was the cause?

Commander in Chief perhaps should not be permitting military aircraft to be operating on different frequencies around a very busy airport. Or maybe the control tower was understaffed. Or maybe the controller should have ORDERED the chopper to move to a specific position. The cause of the accident is being questioned by some very skilled people who will ensure they have all the available data at hand - not some loud mouthed megalomaniac trying to score political points. Wouldn't surprise me if there are strikes as a result of this. By the way, at least one major airline will not operate in and out of Washington DC airport at night because of their concerns about safe operating procedures.

[Elite_Pie]

Well you certainly run the risk of more passengers dying if you mis-identify the cause of this horrific accident. Even experts on PPRUNE are not fully clear on what happened. Or are you saying there was a non-Texan in the control tower or a non-redneck flying the chopper and that was the cause?

Commander in Chief perhaps should not be permitting military aircraft to be operating on different frequencies around a very busy airport. Or maybe the control tower was understaffed. Or maybe the controller should have ORDERED the chopper to move to a specific position. The cause of the accident is being questioned by some very skilled people who will ensure they have all the available data at hand - not some loud mouthed megalomaniac trying to score political points. Wouldn't surprise me if there are strikes as a result of this. By the way, at least one major airline will not operate in and out of Washington DC airport at night because of their concerns about safe operating procedures.

Exactly. The cause of this crash will hopefully be identified after a proper investigation, and I'm sure there are a lot of questions that need to be answered. What can be answered immediately is that it's utterly disgraceful to try and score political points in the instant aftermath of a tragedy that has cost many lives. So far Donald Trump and Lullapie have done exactly that.

[Lullapie]

Well you certainly run the risk of more passengers dying if you mis-identify the cause of this horrific accident. Even experts on PPRUNE are not fully clear on what happened. Or are you saying there was a non-Texan in the control tower or a non-redneck flying the chopper and that was the cause?

Commander in Chief perhaps should not be permitting military aircraft to be operating on different frequencies around a very busy airport. Or maybe the control tower was understaffed. Or maybe the controller should have ORDERED the chopper to move to a specific position. The cause of the accident is being questioned by some very skilled people who will ensure they have all the available data at hand - not some loud mouthed megalomaniac trying to score political points. Wouldn't surprise me if there are strikes as a result of this. By the way, at least one major airline will not operate in and out of Washington DC airport at night because of their concerns about safe operating procedures.

I am saying that preliminary reports are that the tower wasn't being correctly manned (or wo-manned). I highlighted an extremely serious aviational issue that occurred in 2018/2019, that the then President, had to step in on and make a quick decision, after the Federal Aviation Administration had procrastinated. The FAA's delay in action could have possibly resulted in the deaths of many people.

Trump has had ongoing issues with the FAA and it was by no means a secret that he wasn't happy with how they recruited employees. If they do have issues with the quality of recruited staff, I am still in the camp of addressing them immediately.

I feel that the US (like many other countries) is on the verge of major operational issues because of it's public service hiring policy of the last few years.

I hope I'm wrong though.

The left-wing media are also lining up to say that it was ACTUALLY Trump who could be to blame for the accident as he has frozen all recruitment in the FAA since he came to power, ten days ago. However, after using that as a headline in some reports, later on it states that it was top end hiring that a freeze had been placed on and it wouldn't have had any impact on the accident.

[Elite_Pie]

I am saying that preliminary reports are that the tower wasn't being correctly manned (or wo-manned).

You just don't get it do you, you're still a million miles away. It's not about the rights, wrongs or possible causes of this, it's about a President trying to make political capital of a tragic incident. Your tongue is so far up Trump's arse I doubt you'll ever get it.

[magpie_mania]

You just don't get it do you, you're still a million miles away. It's not about the rights, wrongs or possible causes of this, it's about a President trying to make political capital of a tragic incident. Your tongue is so far up Trump's arse I doubt you'll ever get it.

Anyone defending Trump?s comments on this should hang their head in shame.

[Lullapie]

Anyone defending Trump?s comments on this should hang their head in shame.

Late night for the NCM Collective of Comrades isn't it?

[Lullapie]

You just don't get it do you, you're still a million miles away. It's not about the rights, wrongs or possible causes of this, it's about a President trying to make political capital of a tragic incident. Your tongue is so far up Trump's arse I doubt you'll ever get it.

You are a very angry person who turns to abuse when you don't get your own way. Bit of a pattern there.

What I get is that, Trump has said for a while that there are issues with the recruiting process at the FAA. When there are problems with recruiting, i.e. you recruit the wrong people, it can cause issues, sometimes catastrophic issues.

It's easy for someone who never flies anywhere to say lets all sit around, sing kumbaya and see if we can come to an amicable agreement and then do a press conference where someone stands at the pulpit, with twenty diverse employees/colleagues stood behind them, nodding while the speech is made to say errors were made, but we won't make them in the future.

For me, if a problem has been previously raised and not fixed, I want someone to stand up immediately and say, this ongoing, previously highlighted issue could have been what was a contributing factor to the accident and we have to investigate it now.

This is not an issue that he has just talked about today. In fact he is currently signing an act that was drawn up on the 22nd January about this very thing.

Just like he talked about the lack of action from FEMA in North Carolina and Georgia and then in Florida right after the two hurricanes - lets wait for an inquiry.

Just like he talked about no water in fire hydrants and lack of qualified fire fighters in Los Angeles - lets wait for an enquiry.

He got immediate emergency action in all of those catastrophes, rather than waiting for the Democrat government to act, which would have taken months.

I think you're used to the lightening pace of Keir Starmer. The only thing he acts quickly on is locking up protestors who don't believe the same way as him.