O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[OP67]

I thought Corbyn had promised a complete U-turn on Brexit if they got in, said by many to be one of the reasons they were routed?

Corbyn was a massive Eurosceptic which was why he sat on the fence and lost an election as he couldn't be strong enough to say what he believed.

Cameron didn't want to leave the EU and did everything to keep us in. He had to have the referendum as it was in their election manifesto. He even resigned straight after the vote as he'd failed to keep us in the EU.

[i961pie]

Corbyn was a massive Eurosceptic which was why he sat on the fence and lost an election as he couldn't be strong enough to say what he believed.

Cameron didn't want to leave the EU and did everything to keep us in. He had to have the referendum as it was in their election manifesto. He even resigned straight after the vote as he'd failed to keep us in the EU.

Manifesto promises usually mean nothing, not many are ever kept. But I agree Corbyn has spent his entire political life against EU membership.

[Med Pie]

Meanwhile, in another, astonishing attack on our privacy laws, it seem that our American cousins will fight this one on our behalf.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5yvn90pl5no

'It is understood that the UK government does not want to start combing through everybody's data.

Rather it would want to access it if there were a risk to national security - in other words, it would be targeting an individual, rather than using it for mass surveillance.'

Yeah, right oh, like misusing anti terror laws to stop people at UK borders who are clearly not, terrorists, laughable.

[OP67]

Manifesto promises usually mean nothing

Oh yes and don't we know that with the current government At least Cameron stuck to his manifesto

[SwalePie]

I must say that it's very heartening to see everyone on this thread robustly but politely sharing their opinions while listening carefully to those of the other posters and considering them deeply, before offering appropriate counter opinions. It's so satisfying to witness so many on this thread actually switching their views and changing their political stance after such polite persuasion and open-minded debate.

Well done everyone. Keep up the good work.

[Elite_Pie]

At least Cameron stuck to his manifesto.

As a leader I much prefer Matty Platt.

Oops sorry, wrong thread.

[Elite_Pie]

It's so satisfying to witness so many on this thread actually switching their views and changing their political stance after such polite persuasion and open-minded debate.

I agree it's good to see open debate done in a fairly respectful way, but I'm not sure "so many on this thread actually switching their views and changing their political stance". I think it's more about people not fully understanding or misinterpreting what their political stance actually is. Sometimes a single post seems to lead some to think that has to make you far left or far right. We are probably all closer to the centre than it appears.

[SwalePie]

I agree it's good to see open debate done in a fairly respectful way, but I'm not sure "so many on this thread actually switching their views and changing their political stance". I think it's more about people not fully understanding or misinterpreting what their political stance actually is. Sometimes a single post seems to lead some to think that has to make you far left or far right. We are probably all closer to the centre than it appears.

Let's hope so.

[Med Pie]

I must say that it's very heartening to see everyone on this thread robustly but politely sharing their opinions while listening carefully to those of the other posters and considering them deeply, before offering appropriate counter opinions. It's so satisfying to witness so many on this thread actually switching their views and changing their political stance after such polite persuasion and open-minded debate.

Well done everyone. Keep up the good work.

It's also nice to see that some people have learned to reply without the use of sarcasm, some, but not all, must try harder.

[Med Pie]

Oh yes and don't we know that with the current government At least Cameron stuck to his manifesto

I'll bet he wishes he'd reneged, that is pretty much the only thing that he's remembered for by most.