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[Returnofrros]

Thanks, I appreciate it, coming from a genius like yourself.

Thank you ❤️

[islaydarkblue]

Islay probably isn't deliberately telling lies but is probably giving a very one sided account. As has been said above by BCram there will be his version and Nelmsy's version - the truth will be somewhere in the middle.

BP33 is correct that the chances are that the poor employee that agreed to show Islay around will have had no idea who he was, most likely got a good earful from Nelmsy after it too. Islay is very much persona non grata at Dens (offices) and Gardyne due to his irrational hatred of Nelmsy and his persistent criticism of anything Dundee FC so really should have had the good sense not to ask for the tour around.

As for Nelmsy and lies - the less said the better but he will have had some reason or justification in sending the letter. Islay or anyone else might not agree with his reason or justification but there will have been some.

Trust you to have a pop at me without doing your homework.
The Dundee FC member of staff who arranged for another member of staff to give my wife and I a tour of the Club?s offices in Gardyne told me at a later date that no one had asked her about our tour and what happened on it.
This proves that John Nelms stated a pack of lies in the letter dated 7th December 2022 because he hates Dee4life and everything it stands for because the Dee4life members would not sell all their A shares to FPS for the derisory sum of ?8,000 in January 2019.
The letter also stated that the nomination of Kenny Valentine as the Dee4life board of directors nomination as their Primary representative to be elected on the Dundee Football Club Limited board of directors was a hostile act which would be dealt with under the Club?s Articles of Incorporation (this is an American term which should be Articles of Association).
In addition to the letter Nelms also broke the rules of the 2018 Data Protection Act and probably the GDPR rules when he enclosed a submission in full by a Dee4life Director including his name and address about his own opinion regarding the new stadium development at the former NCR Camperdown playing fields which Nelms took umbrage about because it did not agree with Nelms?s plans for the site.
After I received a copy of the letter from John Nelms which was signed Dundee FC Limited which I still have in the ?saved? box of my iPad I seriously considered sending an email directly to Tim Keyes complaining about the pack of lies stated by John Nelms in his letter to the Dee4life board of directors about our visit and tour of the Club?s offices in Gardyne.
In the end my wife persuaded not to do it as there are two well known sayings ?It comes who waits? and ?Every dog has its day?.
Having owned three West Highland White dogs now all sadly over the Rainbow bridge I will be having my day come what may.

[islaydarkblue]

We do have a lot of problems, but without JN and TK, we would be in a lot worse shape IMO.
You say you?re sure that he?s a true supporter, well again IMO a true supporter, wouldn?t attack anything and everything about the Club.
With regards to his tour, D4L should never have sent him.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion about the new stadium, but if you sit in the Main Stand, or Derry you can?t fail to see how bad it is. This season at least 3 old guys have fallen, either going up or down the stairs in the Main Stand.

Now I will explain to you why I was at the Club?s offices at Gardyne and it was down to certain Dee4life Directors (not me) deciding to donate an unsigned Josh Meekings framed strip to Alison McQueen to raffle to raise funds for Dee Promotions.
I stated at a Dee4life board of directors meeting that we should be donating a decent signed framed strip but instead certain Dee4life Directors wanted to donate the unsigned Josh Meekings strip.
I think that they basically wanted rid of the unsigned Josh Meekings strip and they decided to get rid of it to Alison McQueen.
Nowadays framed Dundee FC strips are ten a penny.
Alison could not get anyone to purchase tickets for the raffle for the unsigned Josh Meekings strip and the Dee4life board of directors were asked collect the framed strip from the Club?s offices at Gardyne which was exceedingly heavy to say the least.
Josh Meekings was at the Dee4life table at the sponsors dinner in 2019. Josh was a perfect gentleman and a credit to Dundee Football Club.
Josh bought everyone sitting at the Dee4life table a drink.
I was available to collect the unsigned Josh Meekings strip and I phoned the clubs offices in Gardyne to arrange to collect it.
Norrie Price and Gary Cocker had previously had a tour of the Club?s offices in Gardyne in July 2022 when they had a meeting with John Nelms and his General Manager Greg Fenton.
I suggested to my wife who is Football Widow that she came with me and I would ask if we could have a tour of the Club?s offices at Gardyne but if it was not possible it was not the end of the world.
My wife often says to me that she wishes that she could meet John Nelms to ask him if he remembers her.
I will never set foot in the Club?s offices at Gardyne as long as John Nelms in charge and I no longer have the same enthusiasm for attending home games at Dens Park because of the lies John Nelms stated in his letter to the Dee4life board of directors about the tour my wife and I had of the Club?s offices at Gardyne on 5th October 2022.

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I suggested to my wife who is Football Widow that she came with me

Mrs. Islay is a football widow? Now, we all know you don't go to Dens so what team are you following so devotedly that your lady wife can be considered a football widow?

[islaydarkblue]

Mrs. Islay is a football widow? Now, we all know you don't go to Dens so what team are you following so devotedly that your lady wife can be considered a football widow?

Yet another irresponsible post from yourself considering you previously posted that you saw me walking along Strathmartine Road on my way to a Dundee FC home game at Dens Park when you were sitting on a 22 bus from your home in Downfield heading towards the City Centre.
For all we know you might be out hill walking every Saturday afternoon during the football season and checking the latest Dundee FC score on your phone providing you can get a signal in the back of beyond.
I attend Dundee FC homes games when I am able to with my last home game being on Boxing Day 2024 against Ross County which was a 3-0 defeat and a hard watch sitting in the Main Stand with all the toffs.

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Yet another irresponsible post from yourself considering you previously posted that you saw me walking along Strathmartine Road on my way to a Dundee FC home game at Dens Park when you were sitting on a 22 bus from your home in Downfield heading towards the City Centre.
For all we know you might be out hill walking every Saturday afternoon during the football season and checking the latest Dundee FC score on your phone providing you can get a signal in the back of beyond.
I attend Dundee FC homes games when I am able to with my last home game being on Boxing Day 2024 against Ross County which was a 3-0 defeat and a hard watch sitting in the Main Stand with all the toffs.

I have a season ticket and attend most games only missing them when something more important arises. I probably miss two or three home games a season including cup games.

I did once see you from a bus walking up Strathmartine Road. I couldn't say for certain you were going to Dens Park since you weren't wrapped in a Dundee scarf and weren't carrying a blue and white rattle, although I do know for certain that I was headed there, I only have your word on that. Given that you're prone to exaggeration, for example your account of your visit to Gardyne, I have my doubts as to your intended destination on that day. Could just as easily been on your way to KwikFit.

I tend not to go hillwalking on Dundee FC home game dates for obvious reasons.

Do you honestly consider your good lady to be a 'football widow' when you only attend football games when you can be arsed annoyed? You've missed the last seven (7) home games, hardly a devoted fan are you? But I guess when a huge part of your day at the ground consists of walking around trying to find faults with absolutely anything so that you can write complaint emails to the club about them is probably a bit boring.

Is it boring spending your days looking for faults?

[islaydarkblue]

I have a season ticket and attend most games only missing them when something more important arises. I probably miss two or three home games a season including cup games.

I did once see you from a bus walking up Strathmartine Road. I couldn't say for certain you were going to Dens Park since you weren't wrapped in a Dundee scarf and weren't carrying a blue and white rattle, although I do know for certain that I was headed there, I only have your word on that. Given that you're prone to exaggeration, for example your account of your visit to Gardyne, I have my doubts as to your intended destination on that day. Could just as easily been on your way to KwikFit.

I tend not to go hillwalking on Dundee FC home game dates for obvious reasons.

Do you honestly consider your good lady to be a 'football widow' when you only attend football games when you can be arsed annoyed? You've missed the last seven (7) home games, hardly a devoted fan are you? But I guess when a huge part of your day at the ground consists of walking around trying to find faults with absolutely anything so that you can write complaint emails to the club about them is probably a bit boring.

Is it boring spending your days looking for faults?

There is no point trying to have a meaningful conversation on this board. it is your way or no way with no one else allowed to post their own point of view.
I have seen posters the TDB complaining about your dictatorial posts.

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There is no point trying to have a meaningful conversation on this board. it is your way or no way with no one else allowed to post their own point of view.
I have seen posters the TDB complaining about your dictatorial posts.

Dictatorial? Or factual?

I'm more than happy for people to disagree with me and to engage in conversation but when someone refuses to accept reality the chance of meaningful conversation is gone. Tell me one thing in that post that wasn't simple reality - one thing.

[islaydarkblue]

Dictatorial? Or factual?

I'm more than happy for people to disagree with me and to engage in conversation but when someone refuses to accept reality the chance of meaningful conversation is gone. Tell me one thing in that post that wasn't simple reality - one thing.

I decide when I will purchase a ticket to attend a Dundee FC home game.
It must have been a right kick in the teeth for Dundee FC season ticket holders to see so many league games being televised live on SKY Sports during January 2025 with the home games against Dundee United, Rangers and Celtic all televised live on SKY Sports.
The home game against Rangers on Saturday 29th March 2025 is also being televised live on SKY Sports.
The home game against Hibs on Saturday 23rd November 2024 was televised live on Premier Sports with 5.30pm kick off.
I purchased a ticket for the Hibs game in the Ticket Office on Thursday 21st November 2024 at about 4.30pm.
That evening I happened to look at my ticket and I noticed that the kickoff time printed on my ticket was 7.45pm.
A phone call to the ticket office first thing the following morning confirmed that the wrong kickoff time had been printed on my ticket and I was the first person to notice this.
The Hearts game in August 2024 was also televised live on Premier Sports.
Six home games out of 19 home games at Dens Perk being televised live on SKY Sports or Premier Sports this season in my opinion does not make a season ticket cost effective.
However unless the Dundee FC team starts winning league games several home games next season will be televised live on the BBC Scotland channel with a 7.45pm kickoff on a Friday evening.

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I decide when I will purchase a ticket to attend a Dundee FC home game.
It must have been a right kick in the teeth for Dundee FC season ticket holders to see so many league games being televised live on SKY Sports during January 2025 with the home games against Dundee United, Rangers and Celtic all televised live on SKY Sports.
The home game against Rangers on Saturday 29th March 2025 is also being televised live on SKY Sports.
The home game against Hibs on Saturday 23rd November 2024 was televised live on Premier Sports with 5.30pm kick off.
I purchased a ticket for the Hibs game in the Ticket Office on Thursday 21st November 2024 at about 4.30pm.
That evening I happened to look at my ticket and I noticed that the kickoff time printed on my ticket was 7.45pm.
A phone call to the ticket office first thing the following morning confirmed that the wrong kickoff time had been printed on my ticket and I was the first person to notice this.
The Hearts game in August 2024 was also televised live on Premier Sports.
Six home games out of 19 home games at Dens Perk being televised live on SKY Sports or Premier Sports this season in my opinion does not make a season ticket cost effective.
However unless the Dundee FC team starts winning league games several home games next season will be televised live on the BBC Scotland channel with a 7.45pm kickoff on a Friday evening.

Strange response but the deflection isn't unexpected since it's what you do when you're proven wrong.

I agree that the odd and varied kick off times for the TV coverage reduces the perceived value of a season ticket. I can also see the club offering reduced entry costs for some games as the relegation battle hots up to try to increase the backing in the stands. This will further reduce the perceived value of a season ticket.