O/T And we wonder why we trust Starmer

[Steve Miller]

He was convicted of violent disorder, which is an offence committed in the following way:

Where 3 or more persons who are present together use or threaten unlawful violence and the conduct of them (taken together) is such as would cause a person of reasonable firmness present at the scene to fear for his personal safety, each of the persons using or threatening unlawful violence is guilty of violent disorder (section 2(1) Public Order Act 1986).

The use of the words 'taken together' in the defintion is crucial here. He didn't just push a police officer and shouted scum, he pushed a police officer and shouted scum as part of a mob that threw missiles at officers, shouted threats and abuse, caused damage and set fires both within and outside the hotel.

The court had no option other than to send Lynch to prison, both because of the gravity of violent disorder and because of the guidance given by the Court of Appeal in cases arising from the riots in 2011, which made it clear than an immediate and lengthy sentence should follow for persons convicted of involvement in large scale disturbances.

The 2011 riots involved a lot of black defendants. I can't remember the right getting upset about the punitive sentences that followed. Funny that.

I'm not sure why Starmer gets the blame for Lynch's death. It was Lynch who involved himself in the mob and a court that sent him down in accordance with the relevant guidance. The notion that anyone would plead guilty to violent disorder to get an 'easy time' is comical.

You a lawyer then, or in the legal/justice business?

[animallittle3]

Trump has certainly changed the US since taking office.

For one thing, the prime time evening news has gone from the very occasional appearance of a sleepy old bloke mumbling incoherently to a daily dose of an orange faced slightly younger bloke providing comedy gold. I'm not saying he's wrong, just funny

Well they aren't laughing in Europe that's for sure , I think Trump - Vance have just about made them redundant even though most of them were probably finished anyway .

This spineless and self serving European political class now don't know what the fuq to do .

Uncle Sam doesn't want to know them anymore and the emerging country's in the world such as India and Vietnam have better investment prospects elsewhere .

As for the U.K , well we've been finished for years but our political class are permanently in denial .

The real funny bit is that Europe's done it to itself , totally self inflicted which was pretty much Vance's point .

You should hear the whimpers and see the tears coming from Europe's political class now the US network has closed down .

[frogmiller]

Well they aren't laughing in Europe that's for sure , I think Trump - Vance have just about made them redundant even though most of them were probably finished anyway .

This spineless and self serving European political class now don't know what the fuq to do .

Uncle Sam doesn't want to know them anymore and the emerging country's in the world such as India and Vietnam have better investment prospects elsewhere .

As for the U.K , well we've been finished for years but our political class are permanently in denial .

The real funny bit is that Europe's done it to itself , totally self inflicted which was pretty much Vance's point .

You should hear the whimpers and see the tears coming from Europe's political class now the US network has closed down .

I watched a clip of the once wannabe leader of the Tory party, ex Eton educated and teacher of the royals moaning the other day.
Trump has stopped a payment through USAID of $1m to his wife?s charity teaching Afghan farmers about abstract art 😂.

There are many more that have had their payments questioned and now the tap has been turned off!

[Stansmate]

Increase of .2% in defence - wow that?ll sort it ��

This guy will go down as our worst ever PM !!

Yes it?s a different world but his lot have an agenda worse the Evans ��

[Stansmate]

Has tha got nowt else ter do than dictate opinion ??

Tha as bad as this lot buggerin up life for all of us !!!

[CAMiller]

Has tha got nowt else ter do than dictate opinion ??

Tha as bad as this lot buggerin up life for all of us !!!

How is merging one thread about Starmer with another dictating opinion?

As for having nowt better to do, I could say the same about someone opening a thread about the PM on a football message board

[Stansmate]

Mate tha diin a gr8 theer cos ther aint many non footy comments on ere r there ??

Two hat !

[Stansmate]

Evans out - shift that one anarl 😉

[MillerBill]

Our PM has said we must protect the borders of Ukraine at all costs.Meanwhile over 500 illegal migrants came over on Sunday.Where's the protection of our Borders??This is a state of emergency and the govt.are just ignoring the huge problems we have in this country.

[UlleyMiller]

Our PM has said we must protect the borders of Ukraine at all costs.Meanwhile over 500 illegal migrants came over on Sunday.Where's the protection of our Borders??This is a state of emergency and the govt.are just ignoring the huge problems we have in this country.

Were they attacking us or trying to sneak in to get a job somewhere? I didn't hear about any machine gun fire in Kent.