Election Year or Fear!

[Andy_Faber]

still don't think the west didn't do its part in lighting the touch paper of Ukraine? Been years in the making, just waiting for a Putin to come along

https://fb.watch/y54E4eqZqN/

Not been discussed as much as I?d expected here but Zelensky showed a lot of bravery standing up to those bullies in what IMO was clearly a setup, I also think he?s shown other statesmen that they don?t need to succumb to every American whim. I was sort of hoping Zelensky was going to pop out with ?Look Don. Just STFU for a minute?
Good to see Starmer (misnamed as Lord Starmer on newsfeeds where I currently am) at last taking the lead in subsequent discussions

[Trickytreesreds]

Not been discussed as much as I?d expected here but Zelensky showed a lot of bravery standing up to those bullies in what IMO was clearly a setup, I also think he?s shown other statesmen that they don?t need to succumb to every American whim. I was sort of hoping Zelensky was going to pop out with ?Look Don. Just STFU for a minute?
Good to see Starmer (misnamed as Lord Starmer on newsfeeds where I currently am) at last taking the lead in subsequent discussions

My point Andy, was to those who like quoting history in here.
Take WW2. Was Hitler to blame? 75% yes.

After WW1 the Versailles treaty created the very conditions that lay the conditions for the fascists to rise.
The majority of that harshness, came from France. They sowed the very seeds that would lead to Frances re invasion 25 years later.

As the video showed, the west especially the US, promised Gorbachev not one inch eastward after the dismantling of the iron curtain.
Clinton certainly got his hands dirty on that one.
The the EU decided to stick its nose in.

Putin is a tyrant, we can all agree on that. But don't tell me this was all his doing, it wasn't.
Though RA seems to think I'm a Putin supporter for pointing historical facts out.

[ramAnag]

My point Andy, was to those who like quoting history in here.
Take WW2. Was Hitler to blame? 75% yes.

After WW1 the Versailles treaty created the very conditions that lay the conditions for the fascists to rise.
The majority of that harshness, came from France. They sowed the very seeds that would lead to Frances re invasion 25 years later.

As the video showed, the west especially the US, promised Gorbachev not one inch eastward after the dismantling of the iron curtain.
Clinton certainly got his hands dirty on that one.
The the EU decided to stick its nose in.

Putin is a tyrant, we can all agree on that. But don't tell me this was all his doing, it wasn't.
Though RA seems to think I'm a Putin supporter for pointing historical facts out.

Tricky, you can try and drag me into your disagreement with AF if you like, but when you resurrect our own disagreement from about ten days ago at least get the facts correct. I haven’t referred to you as a Putin supporter. I said you seemed to be trying to justify and excuse his actions. Another poster referred to you as a Putin apologist and I have to say that, each time you write, it does seem an increasingly well founded accusation.

[Trickytreesreds]

Tricky, you can try and drag me into your disagreement with AF if you like, but when you resurrect our own disagreement from about ten days ago at least get the facts correct. I haven?t referred to you as a Putin supporter. I said you seemed to be trying to justify and excuse his actions. Another poster referred to you as a Putin apologist and I have to say that, each time you write, it does seem an increasingly well founded accusation.

so thats exactly what you was and are doing then?

When you cross the road or over take, do you look left/ right, or check your mirrors?
Sounds like you don't.

are you seriously going to deny the wests actions didn't help shape the whole situation?

[ramAnag]

so thats exactly what you was and are doing then?

When you cross the road or over take, do you look left/ right, or check your mirrors?
Sounds like you don't.

are you seriously going to deny the wests actions didn't help shape the whole situation?

I’m not even involving myself in this particular debate. I just find it fascinating that you feel the repeated need to defend and excuse Trump, Putin and now apparently, albeit to a lesser degree, Hitler all while comparing Starmer to Stalin.

Interesting perspective, but needless to say, not one I have much time for.