Sack him, save our season

[upthemaggies]

Interesting analysis from the usual suspects, but some surprising revisionism on the Reedtz bros time at the club and even comparison to ... Alan Hardy?

Is a bad month in football really all it takes for some of the most sensible, measured (not that they get everything right) owners in league 2 to be compared to that whopper - who is a stain on the club.

As they are doing it sustatinably (they say) it seems the fans, specifically on here, are in way more of a rush to get to what will end up being a glass ceiling for us for years (league one).

Why not just enjoy the ride and stop bursting blood vessels thinking up mad conspiracy theories - we will get there eventually.

Talk of being relegated again is laughable, maybe all the urgency/rush is the slighty older average age on this board, really not sure but some STRANGE takes in this thread.

The point regards Hardy is that talk is cheap, there is a big difference between talking about being able to do something and actually doing it. The bros got out-competed and beaten to promotion from tier 5 by the likes of Barrow, Harrogate and Sutton United, some were insisting Solihull Moors had a bigger budget than we did, so the idea that they could compete with current mid-table tier 2 clubs like Stoke, Norwich, Watford, Sheff Wed, Middlesbrough, whilst Derby are facing the drop, is laughable.

As for relegation back down to tier 5, I would still bet on us exiting tier 4 upwards rather than downwards at this juncture, but then how many people anticipated we would go down to the NL after we'd secured a play off semi-final fixture against Coventry City?

[northpie1862]

The point regards Hardy is that talk is cheap, there is a big difference between talking about being able to do something and actually doing it. The bros got out-competed and beaten to promotion from tier 5 by the likes of Barrow, Harrogate and Sutton United, some were insisting Solihull Moors had a bigger budget than we did, so the idea that they could compete with current mid-table tier 2 clubs like Stoke, Norwich, Watford, Sheff Wed, Middlesbrough, whilst Derby are facing the drop, is laughable.

As for relegation back down to tier 5, I would still bet on us exiting tier 4 upwards rather than downwards at this juncture, but then how many people anticipated we would go down to the NL after we'd secured a play off semi-final fixture against Coventry City?

So you'd say as a club we are in a similar state to what we were in the late Hardy era?

Also we didnt get 'outcompeted' (what does that even mean) by Barrow/Harrogate/Sutton budget wise did we? For the most part theyd been building with the same manager for a while and eventually had a good season, something that those with a distinct lack of foresight cant see on here.

If we were in tier 2 and collecting tier 2 tv money whose to say we couldnt compete, weve already shown we are adept at buying cheap and selling high in the transfer market - the difference between them and Hardy is they have said we could, they havent said FIVE YEAR PLAN, or KEVIN NOLAN WILL MANAGE IN THE PREM. Again you are choosing to remember / forget certain things.

[calvopies25]

KEVIN NOLAN WILL MANAGE IN THE PREM.

Cobblers.

[durhampie]

So you'd say as a club we are in a similar state to what we were in the late Hardy era?

Also we didnt get 'outcompeted' (what does that even mean) by Barrow/Harrogate/Sutton budget wise did we? For the most part theyd been building with the same manager for a while and eventually had a good season, something that those with a distinct lack of foresight cant see on here.

If we were in tier 2 and collecting tier 2 tv money whose to say we couldnt compete, weve already shown we are adept at buying cheap and selling high in the transfer market - the difference between them and Hardy is they have said we could, they havent said FIVE YEAR PLAN, or KEVIN NOLAN WILL MANAGE IN THE PREM. Again you are choosing to remember / forget certain things.

Its not what is being said is worrying...

[upthemaggies]

So you'd say as a club we are in a similar state to what we were in the late Hardy era?

Also we didnt get 'outcompeted' (what does that even mean) by Barrow/Harrogate/Sutton budget wise did we? For the most part theyd been building with the same manager for a while and eventually had a good season, something that those with a distinct lack of foresight cant see on here.

If we were in tier 2 and collecting tier 2 tv money whose to say we couldnt compete, weve already shown we are adept at buying cheap and selling high in the transfer market - the difference between them and Hardy is they have said we could, they havent said FIVE YEAR PLAN, or KEVIN NOLAN WILL MANAGE IN THE PREM. Again you are choosing to remember / forget certain things.

Grimsby, like us, came down and stuck with the same manager that they got relegated with. They went straight back up.
Hartlepool went up (with Sutton) having changed the manager during the season, on an average gate of 3,355 before lockdown having finished 12th.

Hardy finished 16th in his first L2 season (Reedtz 14th), 2nd season Hardy finished 5th (we're currently 5th), so it's absolutely like for like so far, based on what actually matters, the league table. Whatever Hardy did behind the scenes - having taken on a fire-fighting situation himself - and whatever the bros are doing.... more or less two seasons in L2 - the end product is virtually identical.

MKD finished 4th last season, who thought they would be where they are now? I'm not anticipating a relegation battle next season if we don't go up, but I wouldn't be dismissing the prospect of a fight against the drop as the howling of a lunatic either. The club is currently not in a good place and things could go south very quickly.

[northpie1862]

Grimsby, like us, came down and stuck with the same manager that they got relegated with. They went straight back up.
Hartlepool went up (with Sutton) having changed the manager during the season, on an average gate of 3,355 before lockdown having finished 12th.

Hardy finished 16th in his first L2 season (Reedtz 14th), 2nd season Hardy finished 5th (we're currently 5th), so it's absolutely like for like so far, based on what actually matters, the league table. Whatever Hardy did behind the scenes - having taken on a fire-fighting situation himself - and whatever the bros are doing.... more or less two seasons in L2 - the end product is virtually identical.

MKD finished 4th last season, who thought they would be where they are now? I'm not anticipating a relegation battle next season if we don't go up, but I wouldn't be dismissing the prospect of a fight against the drop as the howling of a lunatic either. The club is currently not in a good place and things could go south very quickly.

Nice to know we've finally found Big Al's burner account on here. Hi Alan!

[SwalePie]

Grimsby, like us, came down and stuck with the same manager that they got relegated with. They went straight back up.
Hartlepool went up (with Sutton) having changed the manager during the season, on an average gate of 3,355 before lockdown having finished 12th.

Hardy finished 16th in his first L2 season (Reedtz 14th), 2nd season Hardy finished 5th (we're currently 5th), so it's absolutely like for like so far, based on what actually matters, the league table. Whatever Hardy did behind the scenes - having taken on a fire-fighting situation himself - and whatever the bros are doing.... more or less two seasons in L2 - the end product is virtually identical.

MKD finished 4th last season, who thought they would be where they are now? I'm not anticipating a relegation battle next season if we don't go up, but I wouldn't be dismissing the prospect of a fight against the drop as the howling of a lunatic either. The club is currently not in a good place and things could go south very quickly.

Could you elaborate on your last sentence? In what way is the club currently 'not in a good place'? I presume you simply mean in a football performance sense over the last few matches?

[upthemaggies]

Could you elaborate on your last sentence? In what way is the club currently 'not in a good place'? I presume you simply mean in a football performance sense over the last few matches?

If this was Hardy or the Trews, people would be freaking out with "how much more of a farce can this club get????"

We've just had arguably the man solely responsible for overseeing and being the brains behind the "model" over the past 6 years walking out on the club, one of the 3 best players asking to leave because he wasn't happy with the club, the two coaches being forced out and not replaced, one of the two best players remaining that we seem to be totally relying on to save the season being aged 35 whilst the other is massively injury prone, overseen by a manager who spent his playing career with clubs like Hitchin and Aylesbury and whose crowning achievement before coming to us was finishing 13th in tier 5.

[SwalePie]

If this was Hardy or the Trews, people would be freaking out with "how much more of a farce can this club get????"

We've just had arguably the man solely responsible for overseeing and being the brains behind the "model" over the past 6 years walking out on the club, one of the 3 best players asking to leave because he wasn't happy with the club, the two coaches being forced out and not replaced, one of the two best players remaining that we seem to be totally relying on to save the season being aged 35 whilst the other is massively injury prone, overseen by a manager who spent his playing career with clubs like Hitchin and Aylesbury and whose crowning achievement before coming to us was finishing 13th in tier 5.

An interesting take on things. I'm not sure what relevance Stuart Maynard's playing career has on anything but I appreciate that it adds a frisson of extra drama to your point about his prior management experience.

Personally, I'd rather the owners and CEO took their time replacing Richard Montague and get it right as his or her role, as you've mentioned, is pivotal. Regarding the departure of the Saunders brothers, yes that is an unfortunate and clearly unforeseen 'incident'. Hopefully they will either be replaced or Joao Alves' expanded responsibilities might suit him and become permanent. Regarding Crowley leaving, he doesn't appear to have been unhappy with the club but rather unhappy with his pay packet in comparison to the one offered by the Franchise. As the club stated, they were not prepared to offer him more than their valuation of him within the structure, which is simply sensible and prudent financial management. Regarding Didzy, and the bonus we have of him playing for us at his own request, despite his age that's simply something to be grateful for and definitely not a negative. Jodi, yes, he is clearly injury prone, can't argue with that one but I would rather have him sometimes than never tbh.

[legs77]

If this was Hardy or the Trews, people would be freaking out with "how much more of a farce can this club get????"

We've just had arguably the man solely responsible for overseeing and being the brains behind the "model" over the past 6 years walking out on the club, one of the 3 best players asking to leave because he wasn't happy with the club, the two coaches being forced out and not replaced, one of the two best players remaining that we seem to be totally relying on to save the season being aged 35 whilst the other is massively injury prone, overseen by a manager who spent his playing career with clubs like Hitchin and Aylesbury and whose crowning achievement before coming to us was finishing 13th in tier 5.

Out of interest who had Rafa Benitez, Jose Mourinho and Arsene Wenger played for before they managed top sides ?

I mean we could go for someone like Wayne Rooney great player who has played for great clubs sure he?d know what he is doing or even Troy Deeney he has played top level too.

As I have said several times you are only as good as your players and every single manager needs abit of luck too.

As for our owners I?m happy for them to not start yapping every 5 minutes as long as the bills are being paid it?s all good imo.