O/T Why should this b.astard breathe again?

[MillerBill]

We definitely get prisons wrong, and we spend far too much on them. A significant time should be spent in incredibly basic surroundings for the first phase of any lengthy sentence, and mandatory labour should form part of all sentences. Not sure I'd agree on mutilating people, but I certainly wouldn't be overly concerned about the protection of some inmates.

Very rarely agree with you Ulley but you are spot on, when we talk of the overspending on prison facilities.I suspect no other country spends as much as us and the savings we could make would provide a larger number of prison cells.

[Masbroughstreet]

Can anyone on here, all the legal eagles included, tell me why this monster of no remorse, gets to live at all?

If ever the death penalty should be brought back this story hammers the nail home! I'm not even talking Southport.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwydwr859dgo

Apologies if I've missed somebody else mention it on the thread but if anyone doesn't know, he shot himself with the crossbow and is now permanently paralysed from the chest down. So thankfully the remainder of his existence will far from pleasant.

[Brin]

Apologies if I've missed somebody else mention it on the thread but if anyone doesn't know, he shot himself with the crossbow and is now permanently paralysed from the chest down. So thankfully the remainder of his existence will far from pleasant.

Masbrough, It wasn?t reported at the time of sentencing of his reason for not attending.

He had indeed according to reports shot himself in the chest but his up to date prognosis doesn?t say if he has recovered or never will, hopefully the latter.

It must run in the family as his Brother Bradley is also a convicted murderer and is serving time behind bars, he got 23 years.

[KerrAvon]

CTMilller, a well balanced view by yourself as always and maybe the point you raise on Clifford was what I was trying to get across where
incontrovertible proof stands 100% and my reasoning for him being removed from society.

Who gets to give their opinion upon whether there is '100% incontrovertible proof'? And aren't you suggesting creating genuine two-tier justice (as opposed to one confected by the likes of Farage) in which some people get a death sentence whereas others get 'only' a life sentence because there is deemed to be less than 100% incontrovertible proof?

What would be the % proof required to qualify for 'just' a life sentence? 95%? 90%? I?d be pretty upset if I were in that group.

[KerrAvon]

The old 'they might be innocent' line comes out again and again.

How many innocent people are murdered by killers let out of prison who go and do it again? What about their right to life?

Far more than miscarriages of justice, I would think.

It wouldn't have to cost more. Convict and get the job done.

Of course the 'they might be innocent line' comes out on these threads as do the inevitable sadistic fantasies that we saw yesterday evening. This thread isn't only open to those who favour the death penalty.

Since, you raise the issue, let's have a little game. I'll give you the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four, the Bridgewater Four and Sally Clark. That's 15 people who would probably have hung, (and hung quickly in your world) in the last 50 years or so. If you chuck in Stefan Kiszko, who was wrongfully convicted of the rape and manslaughter of a child and that's 16.

How many innocent people murdered by killers who were let out of prison can you come up with in the same period?

And what sort of weird calculus are you applying - 'we should risk letting innocent people die on the gallows on the off chance that it might stop innocent people being murdered'? That's positively bizzarre thinking.

[CTMilller]

Who gets to give their opinion upon whether there is '100% incontrovertible proof'? And aren't you suggesting creating genuine two-tier justice (as opposed to one confected by the likes of Farage) in which some people get a death sentence whereas others get 'only' a life sentence because there is deemed to be less than 100% incontrovertible proof?

What would be the % proof required to qualify for 'just' a life sentence? 95%? 90%? I?d be pretty upset if I were in that group.

That is the problem of course.

[howdydoo]

Of course the 'they might be innocent line' comes out on these threads as do the inevitable sadistic fantasies that we saw yesterday evening. This thread isn't only open to those who favour the death penalty.

Since, you raise the issue, let's have a little game. I'll give you the Birmingham Six, the Guildford Four, the Bridgewater Four and Sally Clark. That's 15 people who would probably have hung, (and hung quickly in your world) in the last 50 years or so. If you chuck in Stefan Kiszko, who was wrongfully convicted of the rape and manslaughter of a child and that's 16.

How many innocent people murdered by killers who were let out of prison can you come up with in the same period?

And what sort of weird calculus are you applying - 'we should risk letting innocent people die on the gallows on the off chance that it might stop innocent people being murdered'? That's positively bizzarre thinking.

Really stuck for time and this is the first thing that came up.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-16638227.amp

Purely a numbers game. Get off your high horse.

[Jocksgloves1]

Die now or die later, he's going to hell in the end. It's just delaying it.