O/T:- Trump Presidency 2.0 [hic sunt dracones]

[Jampie]

As to the UK PM being "onboard" clearly you didn't even read the article you linked. Could you point out where it even remotely implies that he or his government approves of any of this?

[BigFatPie]

Quote Originally Posted by BigFatPie View Post
I know we are in midst of a promotion battle, but I cannot help thinking that if a left leaning politicians policy had led directly to *trillions* being wiped off the global stock market there would have been a few comments.


This is how narrow minded you are - the reason behind the tariffs, we are being told, is for a reset in the world economy which has partly been down to it's mis-management BY left-wing governments.

Unless you know of another reason and you can PROVE it, we have to go with the explanation from the US government, why they have put the tariffs in place.

What Trump is doing is a left-wing policy. Many unions in the US are behind him - but you're so blinded by hatred to see or accept that.

Glad to see youve found your big boy pants and are now bwave enough to read my posts.

Ive read about 10 different explanations for why Trump is doing what he is doing. The very last one I would believe is the *official explanation*

The most plausible to me is that he is doing what he is doing because he can. Someone in his inner circle at some point said to him that the president had the power to impose all sorts of tariffs on all sorts of countries without the need for congressional approval.

It appeals to his vanity that he thinks leaders from all over the world will be knocking on his door begging for a few presidential favours. Market turmoil and economic chaos are just collateral damage.

[the_anticlough]

It's too easily forgotten that it's a convicted criminal we're dealing with here - all of his actions should be viewed through this prism.

USA has transitioned from a democracy to a kleptocracy

[Old_pie]

Glad to see youve found your big boy pants and are now bwave enough to read my posts.

Ive read about 10 different explanations for why Trump is doing what he is doing. The very last one I would believe is the *official explanation*

The most plausible to me is that he is doing what he is doing because he can. Someone in his inner circle at some point said to him that the president had the power to impose all sorts of tariffs on all sorts of countries without the need for congressional approval.

It appeals to his vanity that he thinks leaders from all over the world will be knocking on his door begging for a few presidential favours. Market turmoil and economic chaos are just collateral damage.

FWIW, my theories, underlined by Project2025 which I may have missed seeing cited in this thread and wish I had understood a bit better before I have been forced to watch my retirement pension/investments crash.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
https://democracyforward.org/the-peo...-project-2025/

Firstly he sees what Putin can do and wants to be a big boy too. For me the jury is out on whether Putin and Trump are in some sort of plan to bring down the Western world.

Secondly he thinks he's clever. I'm not sure even if he has an IQ in which case there are some people behind him who are going to make a fortune by this maniac's actions

He a narcissist. As you say the whole world is talking about him. Headline TV and news, countries trying to react to his actions. I'd love the world to just say "up yours" and leave him out on a limb. Might mean forging stronger ties with China but it has to be remembered that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. Now, how on earth am I perceiving the USA to be the 'enemy', and is NATO now a dead duck?

There is already talk of Musk not retaining the front-line role he enjoyed a month ago. Perhaps he (Musk) will be encouraged to take a trip to Mars and tell us what is there when he gets back. Mind you he could take Trump with him (wishful thinking).

One thing is for sure in my mind and that is that American voters are stupid. They've been like turkeys voting for Christmas. MAGA - make america go away.

[Lullapie]

Pretty smart from Trump really.

He brings more income into the US, strengthens the US's balance of trade with Europe and weakens Putin in the process as well as reduces Europe's reliance on Russia.


https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...tariff-relief/



Many fortunately forgot that Trump predicted that by buying all Russia's cheap gas would be detrimental to Europe.

Here in case you forgot from the anti-Trump Reuters media outlet in 2018.


https://www.reuters.com/article/mark...idUSKBN1K10VH/

Only the French got it right by being dependent on nuclear energy. Mind you Sir Keir sees the benefit in that now too.

[SwalePie]

Pretty smart from Trump really.

He brings more income into the US, strengthens the US's balance of trade with Europe and weakens Putin in the process as well as reduces Europe's reliance on Russia.


https://www.politico.eu/article/dona...tariff-relief/



Many fortunately forgot that Trump predicted that by buying all Russia's cheap gas would be detrimental to Europe.

Here in case you forgot from the anti-Trump Reuters media outlet in 2018.


https://www.reuters.com/article/mark...idUSKBN1K10VH/

Only the French got it right by being dependent on nuclear energy. Mind you Sir Keir sees the benefit in that now too.

Reuters is one of the world's oldest and most trusted news agencies and is considered centre/neutral in pretty much every media bias rating there is. There's a huge difference between being 'anti-Trump' and not being 'pro-Trump'.

[drillerpie]

FWIW, my theories, underlined by Project2025 which I may have missed seeing cited in this thread and wish I had understood a bit better before I have been forced to watch my retirement pension/investments crash.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c977njnvq2do
https://democracyforward.org/the-peo...-project-2025/

Firstly he sees what Putin can do and wants to be a big boy too. For me the jury is out on whether Putin and Trump are in some sort of plan to bring down the Western world.

Secondly he thinks he's clever. I'm not sure even if he has an IQ in which case there are some people behind him who are going to make a fortune by this maniac's actions

He a narcissist. As you say the whole world is talking about him. Headline TV and news, countries trying to react to his actions. I'd love the world to just say "up yours" and leave him out on a limb. Might mean forging stronger ties with China but it has to be remembered that the enemy of your enemy is not necessarily your friend. Now, how on earth am I perceiving the USA to be the 'enemy', and is NATO now a dead duck?

There is already talk of Musk not retaining the front-line role he enjoyed a month ago. Perhaps he (Musk) will be encouraged to take a trip to Mars and tell us what is there when he gets back. Mind you he could take Trump with him (wishful thinking).

One thing is for sure in my mind and that is that American voters are stupid. They've been like turkeys voting for Christmas. MAGA - make america go away.

I went to read it but it was too long and I lost interest. I probably should read it.

I don't know what he's up to but if it were a plot to completely break the post 1945 world order it's difficult to see what he would do differently. But how would he take payment from foreign governments? He would have to set up some kind of shady slush fund like an otherwise worthless meme coin - Oh.

My personal favourite conspiracy theory is that he will crash everyone's savings and make products unavailable or too expensive in order to create civil unrest, then he will use some archaic law to declare himself permanent God-King of the USA. That's what he meant when he said you will only have to vote for me once then you won't need to vote again.

[slack_pie]

I'm genuinely surprised by Trump's disregard for the stock market. As a businessman, I assumed he'd see the stock market as the ultimate metric for success during his presidency. And while it's par for the course for governments to screw over younger generations, I've never seen a leader simply not care (at least in the short term) about trashing baby boomer retirement funds. I thought they were pretty much untouchable.

That said, the stock market will probably bounce back. Global liquidity is on the rise, the Federal Reserve will be forced to cut rates, and something will have to give on the tariff front eventually. Just complete carnage in the meantime. It's just a completely new paradigm now, with the president trying to reshape the US and world with a sledgehammer. Virtually impossible to predict outcomes as he's so unpredictable and capricious.

[i961pie]

I'm genuinely surprised by Trump's disregard for the stock market. As a businessman, I assumed he'd see the stock market as the ultimate metric for success during his presidency. And while it's par for the course for governments to screw over younger generations, I've never seen a leader simply not care (at least in the short term) about trashing baby boomer retirement funds. I thought they were pretty much untouchable.

That said, the stock market will probably bounce back. Global liquidity is on the rise, the Federal Reserve will be forced to cut rates, and something will have to give on the tariff front eventually. Just complete carnage in the meantime. It's just a completely new paradigm now, with the president trying to reshape the US and world with a sledgehammer. Virtually impossible to predict outcomes as he's so unpredictable and capricious.

Trump might have disregard for it but many of his wealthy friends and supporters might be looking over their shoulders. All eyes on China now.

[drillerpie]

Long term US bonds being dumped as we speak. Could be China dumping as retaliation or could be investors losing confidence in US as a safe haven. US Govt Borrowing getting bigly more expensive by the minute.