Election Year or Fear!

[Geoff Parkstone]

"What we don’t need, imo, is you picking up the devil’s advocate cudgel just for the sake of being contentious."

No, that would break up the happy karass* of like minded persons who reject all opinion that isnt the same as their own and ignore it. Still worse who seek to sideline it by belittling it. TTR's style of putting forward his views isnt the best but those who seek to ignore it do so at their own peril. Need I point out the voting pattern / polls showing the proponderance of people sharing TTR views.

It was the same in Nazi Germany where those in the middle or left chose to ignore the clear threat from the right. Most "good thinking Germans" Ignoring it or tolerating it as an easy way out - now remind me, how did that work out?

*see Cats Cradle, as you likely are of the right age to know

[Geoff Parkstone]

"Beyond that, what we?ve got is one poster genuinely offended by TTR?s unsubstantiated suggestions"

To be fair, Sith wasn't too happy about it either, so make that two posters....

[MadAmster]

GP, what is the point of conversing with someone who, even when confronted, verbatim, with what he posted, continues to say he didn't?

It's akin to knocking your head against a brick wall. Great when it stops.

[ramAnag]

"What we don?t need, imo, is you picking up the devil?s advocate cudgel just for the sake of being contentious."

No, that would break up the happy karass* of like minded persons who reject all opinion that isnt the same as their own and ignore it. Still worse who seek to sideline it by belittling it. TTR's style of putting forward his views isnt the best but those who seek to ignore it do so at their own peril. Need I point out the voting pattern / polls showing the proponderance of people sharing TTR views.

It was the same in Nazi Germany where those in the middle or left chose to ignore the clear threat from the right. Most "good thinking Germans" Ignoring it or tolerating it as an easy way out - now remind me, how did that work out?

*see Cats Cradle, as you likely are of the right age to know

Not knowledgeable enough about Kurt Vonnegut and not wishing to over complicate matters. My point was that there’s a sufficient range of political opinion on here without you having to take an exaggerated stance to compensate for the possible lack of future response to TTR.

No one is denying that the whole question of immigration is complex or shouldn’t be spoken of. Neither is anyone saying TTR isn’t entitled to his opinion. What three people appear to have concluded is, I think, that when those ‘opinions’ appear to be little more than regurgitated far right bollux based on falsehoods and untrue accusations it really is more trouble than it’s worth to reply.

Personally I do feel as if I can’t do right for doing wrong in your eyes. If I respond I’m ‘stirring and shouting from the sidelines’.
If I avoid confrontation, I’m ‘taking the easy way out’.

P.S. Or, concise and shortened version, what MA said above at 7.16.

[Geoff Parkstone]

I only regard your comments as "stirring and shouting...." when it is calling for the head of someone who has slighted a fellow poster.

Otherwise, and I will only say this once and then possibly deny it later, your opinion on political threads is often interesting and thought provoking - especially when your original thought. That's not to say I will necessarily agree with it but it's intriguing to see other perspectives. Which makes it a shame that some, you included, have chosen not to challenge TTR on the basis of rAtional thinking as opposed to calling him thick and blaming the right wing press for everything.

[MadAmster]

I only regard your comments as "stirring and shouting...." when it is calling for the head of someone who has slighted a fellow poster.

Otherwise, and I will only say this once and then possibly deny it later, your opinion on political threads is often interesting and thought provoking - especially when your original thought. That's not to say I will necessarily agree with it but it's intriguing to see other perspectives. Which makes it a shame that some, you included, have chosen not to challenge TTR on the basis of rAtional thinking as opposed to calling him thick and blaming the right wing press for everything.

Two posts before the one to which I am replying. What IS the point?

Ever thought I might be choosing my own sanity above trying to point out the meaning of what someone actually posted rather than what that person actually thinks they mean?

[Andy_Faber]

So, to fact check this issue about TTR?s forum content: I?ve gone back through TTR?s most recent comments and, unfiltered, they have been:

A YouTube video about leftist ?rent a crowds? - the vid doesn?t make the point very well but there is a point to be made

Timing of Labour announcement re grooming enquiries - he has a point

Claim that more people were sanctioned for protesting grooming than carrying out grooming - not sure where the numbers came from so that one needed challenging. No-one bothered

Opinion that Labour?s tactics are because they are scared of losing the Muslim vote - widely discussed even in mainstream media now, worthy of discussion in terms of truth and, if true, implications

Comparison in general of labour parliamentary tactics with similar Tory tactics - not sure it is a like for like comparison but worthy of discussion

Opinion that there?s no difference between the two major parties - worthy of discussion but an opinion already shared by a number of forum members

None of the above deserves any forum member to be ostracised, or for that matter to be referred to repeatedly as ?dim?. To do so actually suggests to me an inability in such people to form a sensible response

[ramAnag]

I only regard your comments as "stirring and shouting...." when it is calling for the head of someone who has slighted a fellow poster.

Otherwise, and I will only say this once and then possibly deny it later, your opinion on political threads is often interesting and thought provoking - especially when your original thought. That's not to say I will necessarily agree with it but it's intriguing to see other perspectives. Which makes it a shame that some, you included, have chosen not to challenge TTR on the basis of rAtional thinking as opposed to calling him thick and blaming the right wing press for everything.

Don’t we all express support for others on here from time to time? That’s surely how forums work.
I haven’t ‘called for the head of anyone’. What I’ve called for, unsuccessfully, is for TTR to apologise and our moderator to act if he won’t. Seeing as both remain in blinkered denial about any wrong having been done that, unfortunately, seems unlikely.

Thanks for the compliment. As it happens I feel exactly the same about you, when you’re making a rational point that you believe in rather than just slightly rude mischief making. Rational, intelligent debate, including disagreement, is how change happens.

I do blame the right wing press for a lot, that’s fair. I’m not one for calling Tricky ‘thick’, not my style although I do regularly question his honesty/integrity and challenge the reliability of his sources/claims.

Lost amongst all this is the possible disappearance of Sith. Probably the only new poster of the last three or four years I found/find his posts invariably worthwhile and never offensive. A good ‘signing’ imo. IF he’s gone at the expense of our moderator not acting to defend him I find that both puzzling and sad.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Two posts before the one to which I am replying. What IS the point?

Ever thought I might be choosing my own sanity above trying to point out the meaning of what someone actually posted rather than what that person actually thinks they mean?

I'm confused - this response was to the rA post immediately above it and quoted from there. What has it got to do with you? Ever thought that?

[MadAmster]

I'm confused - this response was to the rA post immediately above it and quoted from there. What has it got to do with you? Ever thought that?

No, you're stirring the pot... again.

Post #3113 I asked you a question. You haven't answered. You then posted in post #3115

Which makes it a shame that some, you included, have chosen not to challenge TTR on the basis of rAtional thinking

In reply to that, I repeated my what IS the point question. Rather than replying to that, you come back with

What has it got to do with you?

I am part of the some. Ever thought of that? This, IMO, is yet another example of GP mischief making and it's something that makes me miss Roger Ramjet.

Looking for possible reasons for your apparent misunderstanding I pondered the following:

Is he really that thick? I concluded that you are reasonably intelligent

Did he misread and/or miss the link between the posts? Again, you're intelligent enough not to miss the connection between posts, especially when they follow one another so closely.

Is he stirring the pot? I believe you are.

Keep it up GP and before you know it you can have private conversations with TTR because your current attitude stinks, IMO.