Mowbray

[baggieal]

I respect your opinion but we?re in relegation form and showing no signs of improvement. The squad is decent IMO but look like a bunch of individuals without a plan. Today wasn?t a one off.

Cut ties now and we might have a shot of a decent finish next season. Stay with him we might be in the same situation as when we didn?t cut ties with Bruce and Corberan had too much to do to get a play off space.

Got to agree Matt and I was pleased with the appointment. That said the selections have been baffling - the starting line up v Bristol shocking and the subs at half time today appalling without logic. Add this to the indiscipline and the question - are the players wanting to play for him! I say not with the clear lack of heart and fight.

Let?s not waste 12 games of the new season and get rid of the dross now and we all know who they are.

The empty seats in our end in the last 15 minutes told the story. Not a one off!

[On Balance]

I respect your opinion but we?re in relegation form and showing no signs of improvement. The squad is decent IMO but look like a bunch of individuals without a plan. Today wasn?t a one off.

Cut ties now and we might have a shot of a decent finish next season. Stay with him we might be in the same situation as when we didn?t cut ties with Bruce and Corberan had too much to do to get a play off space.

Matt, I totally respect your points. Bruce though, come on. He was never a fit for us. And some, very few perhaps, actually made that clear upon his appointment. Some welcomed him with open arms, the same some likely could not wait for him to be gone. Success is built, give TM a chance. He might not be the answer but give him the chance to build his side and so give me an option, a guaranteed option, of a manager who will bring us success, given our current situation.

I am not sure I can think of a manager that can guarantee success for us. And that is what some expect, the guarantee.

[WBA123]

Matt, I totally respect your points. Bruce though, come on. He was never a fit for us. And some, very few perhaps, actually made that clear upon his appointment. Some welcomed him with open arms, the same some likely could not wait for him to be gone. Success is built, give TM a chance. He might not be the answer but give him the chance to build his side and so give me an option, a guaranteed option, of a manager who will bring us success, given our current situation.

I am not sure I can think of a manager that can guarantee success for us. And that is what some expect, the guarantee.

I?m not expecting any guaranteed success, but I am expecting some cohesion in our play, an identity and a clarity with who is picked to start, formations, substitutions etc. TM hasn?t provided that, we had it with CC.

I think it was a nostalgic appointment but it just hasn?t worked out. Some of the decisions have been baffling, persisting with Wildsmith, playing price up front v Bristol C with 2 strikers on the bench. Dropping of Fellows and at times Johnston. Playing Armstrong upfront on his own with him barely touching the ball, again with 2 target men on the bench. The massive increase of indiscipline that has crept in since CC left. Bringing on Grady and Swift at HT yesterday, two players who are likely running their contract down and won?t be here next season. I could go on and on, but he just hasn?t got the key decisions right.

It?s time to move on in the summer in my view.

[baggiematt]

Matt, I totally respect your points. Bruce though, come on. He was never a fit for us. And some, very few perhaps, actually made that clear upon his appointment. Some welcomed him with open arms, the same some likely could not wait for him to be gone. Success is built, give TM a chance. He might not be the answer but give him the chance to build his side and so give me an option, a guaranteed option, of a manager who will bring us success, given our current situation.

I am not sure I can think of a manager that can guarantee success for us. And that is what some expect, the guarantee.

This absolutely reeks of the Bruce appointment. We were in 5th place when Bruce took over too. Bruce had 4 promotions to his CV, Mowbray 2 (I think).

The point is Bruce and Mowbray are yesterdays men and previous successes aren't translating to success now. Sadly, football has moved on from both managers.

Corberan had ups and downs but it was never a tactical mess like yesterday was.

We need to cut ties now or the end of the season or this all ends in tears.

[boingy]

The difference between Carlos and Tony is chalk and cheese. Carlos is proving at Valencia what a great coach he is. And even with the draws we were getting just add a point to the losses since Carlos left and we would still be in the play offs. (8 losses since Carlos left) we could be on 68 points)
In any case I personally dont want to see Tony here next season. Carlos was always going to be big boots to fill so Im not surprised we took a down turn.

[On Balance]

This absolutely reeks of the Bruce appointment. We were in 5th place when Bruce took over too. Bruce had 4 promotions to his CV, Mowbray 2 (I think).

The point is Bruce and Mowbray are yesterdays men and previous successes aren't translating to success now. Sadly, football has moved on from both managers.

Corberan had ups and downs but it was never a tactical mess like yesterday was.

We need to cut ties now or the end of the season or this all ends in tears.

I am unable to argue with the feelings of those that have penned on this thread. I understand the points made, however, many were wanting Corberan out the door before he left of his own choice, which indicates to me some people are not sure what they want. Often it is better the devil you know. The manager merry go round is not the way forward.

As for Bruce, well, how on earth Baggies welcomed him is beyond belief. Mowbray is a different matter. He is capable of better things. As I pointed out, he is managing a squad that he was presented with, not one he put together.

Give him the summer to get things straight.

It?s not mathematically impossible that we do not make the play offs. That said, I did predict we would not, if we were I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

If you want another manager????..let?s have suggestions as to who that person could be. That may make me have a change of mind.

[soulman101]

I am unable to argue with the feelings of those that have penned on this thread. I understand the points made, however, many were wanting Corberan out the door before he left of his own choice, which indicates to me some people are not sure what they want. Often it is better the devil you know. The manager merry go round is not the way forward.

As for Bruce, well, how on earth Baggies welcomed him is beyond belief. Mowbray is a different matter. He is capable of better things. As I pointed out, he is managing a squad that he was presented with, not one he put together.

Give him the summer to get things straight.

It?s not mathematically impossible that we do not make the play offs. That said, I did predict we would not, if we were I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

If you want another manager????..let?s have suggestions as to who that person could be. That may make me have a change of mind.

I'm with you. I would stick with Tony
Not having a striker since Maja has cost us ,the same happend last season

[Omegstrat6]

Difficult to disagree with many of the points made. I never expected promotion this season but felt that a top 4 place was achievable and, certainly, a top 6 finish.

Bruce & son was a nightmare appointment and don't think we can really compare his tenure with Tony's current one despite it's failings. Corberan was a breath of fresh air after Bruce and worked comparative wonders with the players at his disposal but by the middle of this season, even if he hadn't been enticed away by that offer from his boyhood club, it was becoming clear to most that he didn't have much of a Plan B and that his overly defensive style of play was hampering us. He would have gone sooner rather than later.

Tbh, I was relieved when TM was appointed, even though I felt that, despite the successes, his previous time with us also had its frustrations. On getting the job, he seemed to say all the right things that appealed to the fans-basically he credited Carlos for making us defensively formidable but wanted to now build on this by allowing the players the freedom to play more attacking and attractive football. Sadly, he has not been able to translate this to the pitch.

TM may not have the same quality players that he had last time around but this season's acquisitions have improved the squad which I genuinely believe is not a bad set of players for the Championship. Surely, some of the performances against the top 4 teams in this league have demonstrated this? (This is not to say, of course, that some players do not need shifting out and replacing -Diangana, Swift for example-but we are certainly not playing to our potential)

Tony is very well regarded in the game and seems a genuinely nice man for whom, I'm sure, we are all very pleased that he seems to be recovering well from very serious health problems. He is also fondly remembered from his last stint with us. But all that good will can only go so far. He is paid to manage and to get the best results out of the resources available to him. This has not happened and he is clearly very frustrated himself about both results and performances but whilst certain players may have to shoulder some of the blame, a lot of this is down to his decisions as a manager.

His lack of physical presence doesn't help but Armstrong's underwhelming performance isn't down to him alone. Our movement on the ball is still too slow, we don't pick up those runs/passes enough, fail to get enough players up to support in time and don't put enough balls into the box. However good a number 9 is, he won't get too many goals without a decent service.

I don't disagree with the idea that you may change players and tactics to better match specific opponents but -as many on here point out-we switch and change far too often which loses us momentum and consistency and leads to too many disjointed performances. Similarly, I agree with TM that both Diangana and Swift possess particular ball skills but I'm also very aware that both are far too inconsistent and "go missing" in games for long periods yet TM seems blind to this and selects them regardless.

Is Tony now a "Yesterday's man" ? I don't know, but the creeping number of indisciplined actions might indicate a level of frustration from the players themselves. To my mind, he has had long enough now to have started to turn things around. Regardless of where we actually finish this season, if he cannot get decent performances out of the players for these last few games then I think it best to seek a replacement manager over the summer. Exactly who such a replacement would be is the moot point, as OB points out, but I don't think we can continue as we are.

[Leicesterbaggie]

To my mind, TMs biggest mistake has been a lack of consistency regarding selection. Even if I had not agreed with what he thought that his best team was, I would have accepted it and given the side a chance to prove itself. However, he kept chopping and changing, which made it very difficult for the players to adapt to any system or style of play.

[soulman101]

A bit of Insite of what what could be going on behind the scenes from Albion79 on the West Brom . com forum
https://westbrom.com/forum/index.php?topic=29108.900
When Tony Ist came to our club ,in the Ist pre season he got rid of a few bad eggs the likes of Hartson .