Gary Lineker has said he believes the BBC wanted him to leave Match of the Day

[great_fire]

It's nothing to do with left wing it's about international law.

Starvation on a mass scale happening now.
Ben Gvir encouraged by Trump this week to bomb food distribution units.
Water supplies cut off.
Medics and doctors routinely tortured and killed
Kids targeted and killed by drones
All hospitals bombed
Ethnic cleansing openly discussed.
etc. etc.

If you and your ilk were so concerned about the raping and killing of women and babies you'd be up in arms about what's happening in Gaza. Unless you think it's a justified response to the October 7th atrocities. Do you think that?

Get your head out of your Arsenal

Never said anything at all about the massacre on 7/10, seems to be partisan in a Corbynite fashion.

[ragingpup]

Never said anything at all about the massacre on 7/10, seems to be partisan in a Corbynite fashion.

But are you and others similarly partisan in extremism on the other side of politics in focusing on Hamas' atrocities but not on those committed by Israel both since but also long before 7/10. Atrocities have been committed by both sides against each other for a long, long time, and only to focus on one side seems extremely partisan, and not a little blinkered to me.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

WW2

67000 approx british civilians killed by German bombing

Approx 350000 to 500000 German civilians killed by German/allied bombing

Who started it isn’t really relevant when you’re a country struggling to survive

[howdydoo]

But are you and others similarly partisan in extremism on the other side of politics in focusing on Hamas' atrocities but not on those committed by Israel both since but also long before 7/10. Atrocities have been committed by both sides against each other for a long, long time, and only to focus on one side seems extremely partisan, and not a little blinkered to me.

You ain't gonna change the mindset or the narrative. Here's one post I read today.


Your use of the term "murdering" shows you've already taken a (strong) position and are not interest in considering anything else.
But let me ask you this:
If your neighbor, whom you've known for years was a problematic neighbor, prone to coming into your yard and attacking your and your kids and threatening to take over your house because he believes he has an ideological right to it, came into your house one day, killed a few members of your family, then felt back to his house, hiding in a bunker in his cellar while leaving his own kids up in the house to face the consequences, how would YOU deal with it?
Now say that instead of just hiding down there, said neighbor kidnapped one of your kids and your grandma, then started throwing explosives at your house while shooting at you from inside the house from his own kids' bedrooms, etc. while threatening to come back into your house like he did the last time and to do it again, and again, and again, until he gets what he wants.
What is your response? Do you go in to save your kids, hoping to avoid his, but knowing you will may hurt them as well because he keeps hiding behind them, even when he attacks you? Or do you say, **** it - I know he's evil and will do a lot more evil, but I can't hit back if his kid is in the way, even at the risk of my own and my family members' lives?

Looks like India and Pakistan are at it now.

Maybe it's just population control or a simulation. Past caring. It's a sh!tshow.

[ragingpup]

You ain't gonna change the mindset or the narrative. Here's one post I read today.


Your use of the term "murdering" shows you've already taken a (strong) position and are not interest in considering anything else.
But let me ask you this:
If your neighbor, whom you've known for years was a problematic neighbor, prone to coming into your yard and attacking your and your kids and threatening to take over your house because he believes he has an ideological right to it, came into your house one day, killed a few members of your family, then felt back to his house, hiding in a bunker in his cellar while leaving his own kids up in the house to face the consequences, how would YOU deal with it?
Now say that instead of just hiding down there, said neighbor kidnapped one of your kids and your grandma, then started throwing explosives at your house while shooting at you from inside the house from his own kids' bedrooms, etc. while threatening to come back into your house like he did the last time and to do it again, and again, and again, until he gets what he wants.
What is your response? Do you go in to save your kids, hoping to avoid his, but knowing you will may hurt them as well because he keeps hiding behind them, even when he attacks you? Or do you say, **** it - I know he's evil and will do a lot more evil, but I can't hit back if his kid is in the way, even at the risk of my own and my family members' lives?

Looks like India and Pakistan are at it now.

Maybe it's just population control or a simulation. Past caring. It's a sh!tshow.

A hugely 1 dimensional and biased analagy. What is the territory that your house was built in before being handed to you was owned by the 'problematic' neighbour for generations?

My analagy extension is just as biased, but no more true or false than the one you have given.

The whole history of Palestine is hugely complicated, especially from 1917, as before then under the Ottoman empire there was problematic but working co existence of Muslims, Christians and Jews but since then the organised large scale immigration and British led carving up of territory very much against the will of most of the population and mass immigration of Jewish people has created what we have had since the 2nd world war - the **** show. Atrocity upon atrocity, over and over.

Can't see any other solution other than a carefully managed 2 state one, but too many extremists on both sides to even discuss that. I share your despair, but I can't join in agreement with sharing hugely one dimensional analagies that favour only one side. It is a **** show indeed and politicians and activists on both sides have to take the bow for that.

I agree though that I won't change anyone's mindset or narrative. But I won't add to the masses pr

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Gone a bit off topic hasn?t it?

[howdydoo]

A hugely 1 dimensional and biased analagy. What is the territory that your house was built in before being handed to you was owned by the 'problematic' neighbour for generations?

My analagy extension is just as biased, but no more true or false than the one you have given.

The whole history of Palestine is hugely complicated, especially from 1917, as before then under the Ottoman empire there was problematic but working co existence of Muslims, Christians and Jews but since then the organised large scale immigration and British led carving up of territory very much against the will of most of the population and mass immigration of Jewish people has created what we have had since the 2nd world war - the **** show. Atrocity upon atrocity, over and over.

Can't see any other solution other than a carefully managed 2 state one, but too many extremists on both sides to even discuss that. I share your despair, but I can't join in agreement with sharing hugely one dimensional analagies that favour only one side. It is a **** show indeed and politicians and activists on both sides have to take the bow for that.

I agree though that I won't change anyone's mindset or narrative. But I won't add to the masses pr

Did I say I agree with it. Merely the mindset exists and isn't going to change.

[mellowmiller]

Gone a bit off topic hasn?t it?

Yes, caused by the usual suspects.
If only they would put as much effort into commenting on the Millers-related posts.