O/T:- Two party system

[Med Pie]

This is that dumb Trumpian idea/lie about a mythical 'deep state'.
No, change doesn't happen because of the predilections and choices of the parties that get elected and whose interests they ultimately represent and serve

We will now see that adding 5 years of a Farage premiership to the current sorry shower will mean another full decade in which nothing will be done to improve in the lives of the long-suffering British people.

Not really, various stories have surfaced over the last few years as to how civil servants are stymying the political will of the people at every turn with impunity.

The wonderful Stephen Fry said 'the rise of the right is the lefts fault'.........................................

[Lullapie]

Not really, various stories have surfaced over the last few years as to how civil servants are stymying the political will of the people at every turn with impunity.

The wonderful Stephen Fry said 'the rise of the right is the lefts fault'.........................................

How come the usual suspects always find a way to bring it back to Trump?


As per the original poster, the latest elections in the UK could give the public confidence in the fact that the status quo could be changing. Many people probably wouldn't vote for a lesser party, because as we all know in First Past the Post, their vote wouldn't 'count'. Mind you in First Past the Post, a single vote doesn't really count either.

Whatever your political standing, for God's Sake, don't wish for any form of MMP - it is most undemocratic electoral system ever. I've lived and voted under both types - FPP is infinitely better.


However, with the rise of Reform, who lets face it without Farage would be nothing, people may in even greater numbers than last time, vote for Reform at the next General Election. Many people are sick of same people getting into power (whichever banner they fly under). As I've quoted before from 'Won't Fooled Again' by The Who in 1971:

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

As Townsend said after Woodstock in 1969 'Leave me out of it: I don't think your lot would be any better than the other lot!' All those hippies wandering about thinking the world was going to be different from that day. As a cynical English arsehole, I walked through it all and felt like spitting on the lot of them, and shaking them and trying to make them realise that nothing had changed and nothing was going to change."

And so far, very little has changed.


Don't think those in the higher echelons of power will let it happen that easily though. Scottish Devolution and Brexit both had the might of the Establishment against them.



And for those of you that love to hate Trump (going back to my first paragraph). It's odd how we've had three big votes in the last few weeks and there could be a pattern emerging (not in chronological order):

Canada - Liberal Mark Carney beat Conservative Pierre Poilievre. Poilievre did his best to distance himself politically from the US President
Australia - Labor Anthony Albanese beat Liberal/National Peter Dutton - Dutton did his best to distance himself politically from the US President
UK - Reform dominates local government elections - Farage, well we all know what his relationship is with Trump and he doesn't hide it.

I'll make a prediction too now. Neither Carney or Albanese will serve a full term. Both of them will either get rolled by their own party or the electorate before their next respective General Election.