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[Derbymiller]

Mellow, both around 500,000 to pay them off. 1 million pounds of dead money, thank you Matt Taylor and Steve Evans for this!!

The alternative being they are offered half of that to walk away if they get set up somewhere else and, half the pay they will receive from their new clubs makes up the wage to what they are now on.

keep them and state that they won't be named in the squad, so you effectively end their careers if they decide not to leave. If they decide to stay, then you give them a job in the shop selling shirts.

Not MT and SE fault, it is the fault of the executive management that signed them off. For a bunch of people who we are told run the club well financially, they make some shocking recruitment decisions in terms of contract management.

Also we were told by SE that he was pushing for Odoffin to be offered a contract and he put the delay onto that executive management, MH comes in and a contract is offered to him and Humphries in a few weeks. What does that tell us about SE and the executive management?

[Brin]

keep them and state that they won't be named in the squad, so you effectively end their careers if they decide not to leave. If they decide to stay, then you give them a job in the shop selling shirts.

Not MT and SE fault, it is the fault of the executive management that signed them off. For a bunch of people who we are told run the club well financially, they make some shocking recruitment decisions in terms of contract management.

Also we were told by SE that he was pushing for Odoffin to be offered a contract and he put the delay onto that executive management, MH comes in and a contract is offered to him and Humphries in a few weeks. What does that tell us about SE and the executive management?

Derbs, sorry but I've got to come back toy you on your, ''Not MT and SE fault, it is the fault of the executive management that signed them off''

No it's not pal, both MT and SE were the Managers in charge of the team at the time and it was THEIR request both thes eplayers came to the club, don't blame upstairs on this scenario.

''For a bunch of people who we are told run the club well financially, they make some shocking recruitment decisions in terms of contract management''.......now that I can see some light in. Their retention rate though is absolutely abysmal.

You always seem to dig at Douglas but how much involved is this Karen in all of this?

[Derbymiller]

Derbs, sorry but I've got to come back toy you on your, ''Not MT and SE fault, it is the fault of the executive management that signed them off''

No it's not pal, both MT and SE were the Managers in charge of the team at the time and it was THEIR request both thes eplayers came to the club, don't blame upstairs on this scenario.

''For a bunch of people who we are told run the club well financially, they make some shocking recruitment decisions in terms of contract management''.......now that I can see some light in. Their retention rate though is absolutely abysmal.

You always seem to dig at Douglas but how much involved is this Karen in all of this?

I never mentioned Douglas in my post, you are projecting your own filter onto my words. The executive management includes all those that sit above and around the manager and have senior management responsibilities at the club related to finance, contractual and policy.

I see your point on SE and MT requesting the players, but there is no way that those people sit and negotiate contracts with players. They will input to the process in terms of comparisons to other players and in terms of contract length but if RUFC financial decisions are made by SE and MT then we are in a much worse situation as an organisation than I ever imagined.

[Brin]

I never mentioned Douglas in my post, you are projecting your own filter onto my words. The executive management includes all those that sit above and around the manager and have senior management responsibilities at the club related to finance, contractual and policy.

I see your point on SE and MT requesting the players, but there is no way that those people sit and negotiate contracts with players. They will input to the process in terms of comparisons to other players and in terms of contract length but if RUFC financial decisions are made by SE and MT then we are in a much worse situation as an organisation than I ever imagined.

Derbs, chill fella . The point I was making on the financials is that you have in the past this season alone, ridiculed Douglas on multiple occasions hence my reference of you about him, nothing more than that.

As for both MT and SE, they will have both been fully aware of what the players wage demands were, as they too had to factor in how much of the budget TS provided to them, so they didn't overspend in certain areas when recruiting. Everyone invloved from the boardroom down to MT and SE were ALL involved recruiting these two.

[Derbymiller]

Derbs, chill fella . The point I was making on the financials is that you have in the past this season alone, ridiculed Douglas on multiple occasions hence my reference of you about him, nothing more than that.

As for both MT and SE, they will have both been fully aware of what the players wage demands were, as they too had to factor in how much of the budget TS provided to them, so they didn't overspend in certain areas when recruiting. Everyone invloved from the boardroom down to MT and SE were ALL involved recruiting these two.

Brin I am perfectly chilled, i am just pointing out you stated i said something about an individual at the club that I didn't say. Any comments about that person in the past are just that previous comments based on my opinion and not relevant to this post.

I have been pulled up previously for my opinions about that person, and as such i am now very careful not to reference that person directly.

[Brin]

Brin I am perfectly chilled, i am just pointing out you stated i said something about an individual at the club that I didn't say. Any comments about that person in the past are just that previous comments based on my opinion and not relevant to this post.

I have been pulled up previously for my opinions about that person, and as such i am now very careful not to reference that person directly.

Fair do's