Election Year or Fear!

[Trickytreesreds]

the slide continues and a house built on sand cannot stand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBHh...channel=GBNews

[Trickytreesreds]

[Trickytreesreds]

Labour and Milliband logic

[Andy_Faber]

touche

[Andy_Faber]

Labour and Milliband logic

Not sure that provides the whole picture albeit Milliband is easy to dislike

[Andy_Faber]

ChatGPT says that the UK population in 2024 was 68.18M

ChatGPT says that the number of GPs in 2024 was 48,948 full-time equivalent (FTE)

68000000 / 49000 = 1387.75 patients per GP. 110 more per GP than I'd worked out from my previous searches. Due to this number being FTE?

In post #3262 (?) you quoted 2300 patients per GP in 2024. Over 900 difference with what I've just found using ChatGPT, something you used to look at figures. How on earth can the same programme come up with such huge differences?

It may be my wording but I'm not having a go, and haven't been. I like things to be correct. I have found stuff. This 2nd run at getting info isn't far removed from my first run at it. Major difference is that the GP number is less because it's now FTE rather than total numbers. Hasn't made much of a difference to my population:GP ratios. What I'm trying to get at is what is the ratio? 1200 to 1300 as I've come up with using 2 different methods or the 2300 NHS etc are saying. Without the definitive answer to that conundrum, any discussion on numbers is irrelevant, IMO. I'm not arsed if I'm the one coming to the wrong conclusion, I just want a conclusion reached that is based on correct data. If I'm "right" great, if I'm "wrong" I'll happily say so.

It appears that the only number that can be remotely trusted is UK population, which most reliable sources quote somewhere round your numbers. Lots of other sources add on (sometimes many) millions for 'the undocumented' but I'm not even sure they are relevant here.

Digging into my GP sources, I'm pretty sure that some of the data published represents a particular organisation's agenda, one way or the other, and I've also noticed that Chat GPT, Google's AI assistant and Deepseek disagree with one other, with themselves depending on how the question is put and provide unhelpful vaguenes (so much for AI), so I've had another trawl and found a source I think is agenda-free, The Royal Society Of General Practitioners, although their numbers only go back to 2015 and they are England only.

I'm not sure I'm so bothered about things being (perfectly) correct, rather I like to be confident that on balance the data is credible whether it supports my belief or not, and I think RSGP is. You could say thats because it supports the direction of my original assertion if not the magnitude, but their presentation is clear and well defined so it'll do for me

Not sure if this helps but I'm trying

[swaledale]

Which doesn't change the fact that the issue here is 14 years of cuts and lack of investment in services which is the main issue. Though anecdotally I have not had an issue except with dentistry (and that's down to the piss poor contract which doesn't cover the cost for NHS work)

Oh and of course Johnson's failed immigration policy which has seen a huge rise in authorised immigration.

Mm millions of undocumented migrants? Think your looking at the US on that one, 100,000's yes but then why in 14 years did the last government not take action, oh because they cut funds for police and enforcement agencies, that will be why.

Fascinating that for somebody claiming they are not right of centre, you seem to quote a lot of things reported by a right wing media and as you have also said, take the rubbish that the dim Red one posts at face value - it doesn't take a lot of research to realise very little of what he posts is factual.

Still I guess there is the "good bullying" that you approve of.

[Andy_Faber]

the dim Red one

In post #3124, you stated, about TTR:

'He is on ignore for me and I will no longer mention or engage with him, for those whose lives are so impoverished that they find his contributions useful, carry on waste your time'

Yet in the period since, you have mentioned TTR and referred to his contributions in almost every post you've made. How's your impoverished life going? Do you need help?

[Geoff Parkstone]

Which doesn't change the fact that the issue here is 14 years of cuts and lack of investment in services which is the main issue. Though anecdotally I have not had an issue except with dentistry (and that's down to the piss poor contract which doesn't cover the cost for NHS work)

Oh and of course Johnson's failed immigration policy which has seen a huge rise in authorised immigration.

Mm millions of undocumented migrants? Think your looking at the US on that one, 100,000's yes but then why in 14 years did the last government not take action, oh because they cut funds for police and enforcement agencies, that will be why.

Fascinating that for somebody claiming they are not right of centre, you seem to quote a lot of things reported by a right wing media and as you have also said, take the rubbish that the dim Red one posts at face value - it doesn't take a lot of research to realise very little of what he posts is factual.

Still I guess there is the "good bullying" that you approve of.

How do you know what TTR is posting. You are ignoring him

[ramAnag]

How do you know what TTR is posting. You are ignoring him

Think you’ll find that’s a reply to AF, GP…and at least three posters are trying to ignore (i.e. not respond to) TTR, doesn’t mean we never read what he’s written. I usually do and then just gratefully breathe a sigh of relief that I no longer feel the need to waste my time responding. The forum seems a better and less contentious place of late despite a certain someone continuing to howl at everyone from Starmer to the McCanns and the moon itself.