O/T:- ⚠️Impressed with the leadership [The UK Party Politics Thread]

[Med Pie]

Unless the rules have changed, the Royal Navy has similar powers to defend our fisheries, which I think is a good thing generally. In the UK, 'boat loads of migrants' would come under the scrutiny of Border Force, rather than the senior service.

We're not talking about the British navy, rather, that of a country whose own navy, rather than escorting boat people back to France, is happy to help them in to UK waters then, call Borderfoce to pick them up. The French have even been handing out life jackets and have recently had the temerity, to ask the UK to give them back!

[Elite_Pie]

Thanks explaining the concept BFP it is much appreciated although we know that already., it was racist and a very stupid post.

Is that really all it was?

Connolly's offence was "category A" - meaning "high culpability" - and that both the prosecution and her own barrister agreed she "intended to incite serious violence".

At her appeal, Connolly claimed that while she accepted she intended to stir up racial hatred, she always denied trying to incite violence.

But Lord Justice Holroyde said in a judgement this week, external evidence "clearly shows that she was well aware of what she was admitting".

Sentencing guidelines for the offence indicate a starting point of three years' custody.

So what would you see as a reasonable sentence?

[i961pie]

We're not talking about the British navy, rather, that of a country whose own navy, rather than escorting boat people back to France, is happy to help them in to UK waters then, call Borderfoce to pick them up. The French have even been handing out life jackets and have recently had the temerity, to ask the UK to give them back!

I hear Borderforce are changing their name to Uber?

[SwalePie]

We're not talking about the British navy, rather, that of a country whose own navy, rather than escorting boat people back to France, is happy to help them in to UK waters then, call Borderfoce to pick them up. The French have even been handing out life jackets and have recently had the temerity, to ask the UK to give them back!

I see. I was just trying to point out that the reason the Royal Navy doesn't get involved is that it isn't in their remit to deal with immigration. It seems many people think it is, for some reason. I didn't realise the French navy had it in theirs.

[forwardmagpie]

Is that really all it was?

Connolly's offence was "category A" - meaning "high culpability" - and that both the prosecution and her own barrister agreed she "intended to incite serious violence".

At her appeal, Connolly claimed that while she accepted she intended to stir up racial hatred, she always denied trying to incite violence.

But Lord Justice Holroyde said in a judgement this week, external evidence "clearly shows that she was well aware of what she was admitting".

Sentencing guidelines for the offence indicate a starting point of three years' custody.

So what would you see as a reasonable sentence?

A short sentence followed by lengthy community service.

[Med Pie]

I see. I was just trying to point out that the reason the Royal Navy doesn't get involved is that it isn't in their remit to deal with immigration. It seems many people think it is, for some reason. I didn't realise the French navy had it in theirs.

That is purely a governmental decision and many people think they should be involved in protecting our shoreline.

[Med Pie]

I hear Borderforce are changing their name to Uber?

It's farcical, the whole system is broken, meanwhile, the French take our money and walk away laughing at what idiots we are.

[BigFatPie]

Thanks explaining the concept BFP it is much appreciated although we know that already., it was racist and a very stupid post.

However where you threw the race card in was not about Lucy Connolly but against people who think her sentence was too severe.

You cant separate race either from the case itself or the reaction to it. If you?re trying to pretend there would be so many or any objections to her sentence if Connolly was a Muslim than I would not only disagree I would say youre not dealing in reality. Not for the first time.

As Elite quoted, the article I posted contains a clear explanation as to why she received the sentence she did. Maybe read and understand it and your opinions may just become a little bit more informed. From what you post on here informed reading doesnt appear to be something you do very much of, unfortunately.

[SwalePie]

That is purely a governmental decision and many people think they should be involved in protecting our shoreline.

It is, of course, a governmental decision. Who else's would it be?

Personally I think defending against a few rubber boats using military vessels and their accompanying expensively-trained personnel would be a massive (and massively expensive) example of overkill (for want of a better word!). Far better to beef up Border Force and equip, train and man it better, with stronger powers to boot IMO.

[forwardmagpie]

You cant separate race either from the case itself or the reaction to it. If you?re trying to pretend there would be so many or any objections to her sentence if Connolly was a Muslim than I would not only disagree I would say youre not dealing in reality. Not for the first time.

As Elite quoted, the article I posted contains a clear explanation as to why she received the sentence she did. Maybe read and understand it and your opinions may just become a little bit more informed. From what you post on here informed reading doesnt appear to be something you do very much of, unfortunately.

Thanks BFP I have probably read far more than you on this topic and from many sources and then I have made my own opinion.

As to your first point I would also say I think both Ricky Jones and Liam O?Hanna should be treated sensibly.

I do not believe Lucy Connolly is a danger to society and I also think there is zero chance of her reoffending so I cannot see much point in such a long sentence.

During your in depth investigation of her case did you read much about the defendant?

I however don?t need to resort to the comments you seem to like as I believe everybody's opinions are valid.