Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Indeed, but it was probably Starmer’s fault…or yours! I may be wrong but I think Sarah Champion resigned from the shadow cabinet eight years ago, not ‘last year’.

Unfortunately RA, the nuance of Casey's report is again lost by right wing bigots focussing on race as a factor purely to push their anti immigrant/foreigner agenda.

The bile spewed by our dim red friend, who obviously just repeats verbatim what's spewed out of the right wing media is not what is required here.

As you rightly say, anybody associated with the last 14 years of Troy government can STFU, they had ample time to act. As for the others, they have no care for the victims, just to make political capital from something to further their agenda.

As I posted a while back and as Casey states in her report, the principle issue here is the way the victims were viewed by the authorities as being complicit themselves, there is an example where one very young victim was actually charged for prostitution FFS!

Thats not to dismiss that there is a racial element, but the main reason it was allowed is the view from social workers, police and other authorities that did not value the victims as people worthy of attention, they were and in many cases still are the unfortunates ignored by society as a whole unless as in this case there is political capital to be made from them.

Labour commissioned Casey's report and have acted on it, the acid test of course will be what action has been taken within the next 6 - 12 months. But for people to be slagging off the government for firstly commissioning a report to establish the facts and to act on its recommendations (one of which incidentally was that the proposed local enquiries would not be robust enough to uncover all the salient facts) is frankly bizarre.

But then as is well known, its the empty vessels that make the most noise, usually about things they haven't a clue about other than what they have read or heard about.

[Andy_Faber]

empty vessels...make the most noise

which is an ironically accurate comment from this forum's vessel who makes the joint most noise in terms of word count

[swaledale]

which is an ironically accurate comment from this forum's vessel who makes the joint most noise in terms of word count

Careful, you made yourself look really silly the last time you made what you thought was a "clever" comment!

Especially as I think you will find your wrong, a certain poster far exceeds me for lengthy posts and whereas mine tend to be based on reason and verifiable facts even if shaped by my own views, the other guy's are based on conspiracy theories, and the ravings of right wing fantasists on the internet.

Given you have shown a tendency to favour anecdotal "evidence" to support your views, I'd say your judgement on this one is flawed.

[Trickytreesreds]

Careful, you made yourself look really silly the last time you made what you thought was a "clever" comment!

Especially as I think you will find your wrong, a certain poster far exceeds me for lengthy posts and whereas mine tend to be based on reason and verifiable facts even if shaped by my own views, the other guy's are based on conspiracy theories, and the ravings of right wing fantasists on the internet.

Given you have shown a tendency to favour anecdotal "evidence" to support your views, I'd say your judgement on this one is flawed.

Careful, YOU'RE "FACTS" have been caught out many, many times

[ramAnag]

Careful, YOU'RE "FACTS" have been caught out many, many times

Not half as often as yours! Shall we start with your ?facts? about Sarah Champion in post #3515? Thought not.

[Trickytreesreds]

Not half as often as yours! Shall we start with your ?facts? about Sarah Champion in post #3515? Thought not.

Lol, her words slapped Labour into a corner. She stepped down before being sacked. That much was obvious. Corbyn said outright that the Labour party wouldn't blame any particular group. If you believe that bollox, that she quit out of honour, then you're more gullible, than I thought you was. It was a career saving move. I take it, you've never asked someone to resign, before you sack them then?

'Truth is impossible'
She wrote: "Britain has a problem with British-Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.

"There. I said it. Does that make me a racist? Or am I just prepared to call out this horrifying problem for what it is?"

In the newspaper, the column was accompanied by another article by former Sun political editor Trevor Kavanagh, which referred to "the Muslim Problem".

Mr Kavanagh's article was condemned in an open letter signed by more than 100 MPs, including Ms Champion herself, who said she was horrified that an "extreme Islamaphobic" column had quoted her.

A spokeswoman for the Sun said: "Sarah Champion's column, as it appeared on Friday, was approved by her team and her adviser twice contacted us thereafter to say she was 'thrilled' with the piece and it 'looked great'.

"Indeed, her only objection after the article appeared was her belief that her picture byline looked unflattering. Her office submitted five new pictures for further use."

Communities Secretary Sajid Javid suggested that Ms Champion had been sacked and criticised the Labour leader, tweeting: "Corbyn wrong to sack Sarah Champion. We need an honest open debate on child ***ual exploitation, including racial motivation."

Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage said in a tweet: "Telling the truth about tough issues is now impossible in the modern Labour Party. Pathetic."

[ramAnag]

Lol, her words slapped Labour into a corner. She stepped down before being sacked. That much was obvious. Corbyn said outright that the Labour party wouldn't blame any particular group. If you believe that bollox, that she quit out of honour, then you're more gullible, than I thought you was. It was a career saving move. I take it, you've never asked someone to resign, before you sack them then?

'Truth is impossible'
She wrote: "Britain has a problem with British-Pakistani men raping and exploiting white girls.

"There. I said it. Does that make me a racist? Or am I just prepared to call out this horrifying problem for what it is?"

In the newspaper, the column was accompanied by another article by former Sun political editor Trevor Kavanagh, which referred to "the Muslim Problem".

Mr Kavanagh's article was condemned in an open letter signed by more than 100 MPs, including Ms Champion herself, who said she was horrified that an "extreme Islamaphobic" column had quoted her.

A spokeswoman for the Sun said: "Sarah Champion's column, as it appeared on Friday, was approved by her team and her adviser twice contacted us thereafter to say she was 'thrilled' with the piece and it 'looked great'.

"Indeed, her only objection after the article appeared was her belief that her picture byline looked unflattering. Her office submitted five new pictures for further use."

Communities Secretary Sajid Javid suggested that Ms Champion had been sacked and criticised the Labour leader, tweeting: "Corbyn wrong to sack Sarah Champion. We need an honest open debate on child ***ual exploitation, including racial motivation."

Former UKIP leader Nigel Farage said in a tweet: "Telling the truth about tough issues is now impossible in the modern Labour Party. Pathetic."

…and yet you suggested (I think, not always easy to tell with you) in post #3515 that Sarah Champion’s resignation was ‘only last year’ and it wasn’t. It was almost 8(!) years ago, in August 2017. It had nothing to do with Starmer’s leadership and while I happen to believe that, like Jess Phillips, she is a very well intentioned MP who does much more good than harm, her choice of words in this specific example was incorrect.

P.S. I’ve never been in the unpleasant situation of having to sack anyone and I doubt very much that you have.