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[ramAnag]

A fair point, but to really understand what Orgreave means, I think you do have to be closely connected to those that were involved, they still feel that their father's, brothers, Grandfather's etc. were basically attacked deliberately by the Police acting as agents of the state. Its not about winning points off a long dead Thatcher, any more than Hillsborough was about point scoring, its about establishing the truth of what happened in the face of a cover up and media lies.

It is easy to dismiss such an enquiry as irrelevant, If it doesn't affect you or your relatives and community, so I can see why there is a justification for it, just hope it's done properly and quickly.

I was thinking about it and do accept your point about the need to clear the reputations of ‘fathers, brothers, grandfathers’ etc.

I think we all have to accept that ‘the past is a different country’ and that the police of the sixties, seventies and eighties were a very different and more sinister beast to today, but you’re probably right…the truth does need to be established although I doubt, on the evidence of other such inquiries, that it will be quick and I hope it doesn’t detract from other more recent public inquiries which, imo, are more important.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Latest news on the subject is that an inquiry has been ordered into the Peterloo Massacre. Manchester mayor Andy Burnham has praised PM Starmers decision to order a review of the incident where yeomanry charged protesters killing 18 and injuring hundreds.

The solicitor general is calling for eye witnesses to the massacre which took place under the Tory prime ministership of Robert Jenkinson in 1819 and has remained supressed by the right wing media since then.

[Andy_Faber]

I was thinking about it and do accept your point about the need to clear the reputations of ?fathers, brothers, grandfathers? etc.

I think we all have to accept that ?the past is a different country? and that the police of the sixties, seventies and eighties were a very different and more sinister beast to today, but you?re probably right?the truth does need to be established although I doubt, on the evidence of other such inquiries, that it will be quick and I hope it doesn?t detract from other more recent public inquiries which, imo, are more important.

No ?we? don?t, I think at their extreme the police of today are more ?sinister? either of their own volition or acting under orders.

[ramAnag]

No ?we? don?t, I think at their extreme the police of today are more ?sinister? either of their own volition or acting under orders.

Not sure how you reach that conclusion, but based on three or four ‘encounters’ as a student in the seventies I’ll have to disagree.

[MadAmster]

Migrant ***ually assaults a young girl, found guilty, having been in jail awaiting trial for a year, he gets time served. A British woman posted something a tad iffy on social media, deleted it and got 3 and a bit years inside for her trouble.

The two sentences make me wonder just what the hell our judiciary think they're doing.

[ramAnag]

Migrant ***ually assaults a young girl, found guilty, having been in jail awaiting trial for a year, he gets time served. A British woman posted something a tad iffy on social media, deleted it and got 3 and a bit years inside for her trouble.

The two sentences make me wonder just what the hell our judiciary think they're doing.

But, as you say, that’s the judiciary, not the police…and the ‘British woman’ posted something a great deal more than a ‘tad iffy’…she advocated the murder of asylum seekers.

[Geoff Parkstone]

But, as you say, that’s the judiciary, not the police…and the ‘British woman’ posted something a great deal more than a ‘tad iffy’…she advocated the murder of asylum seekers.

How is that iffy?

[SithHappens]

Migrant ***ually assaults a young girl, found guilty, having been in jail awaiting trial for a year, he gets time served. A British woman posted something a tad iffy on social media, deleted it and got 3 and a bit years inside for her trouble.

The two sentences make me wonder just what the hell our judiciary think they're doing.

I believe he won't serve anymore time according to reports.

It is disgusting but I'm not one to subscribe to the view that immigrants are treated more fairly.

I think there has always been a disparity in justice handed out.

Not sure what the answer is, he definitely should be serving more time.

[MadAmster]

I believe he won't serve anymore time according to reports.

It is disgusting but I'm not one to subscribe to the view that immigrants are treated more fairly.

I think there has always been a disparity in justice handed out.

Not sure what the answer is, he definitely should be serving more time.

Only way for him not to serve more time would be to deport him with immediate effect and label hin as "persona non grata"

[ramAnag]

I believe he won't serve anymore time according to reports.

It is disgusting but I'm not one to subscribe to the view that immigrants are treated more fairly.

I think there has always been a disparity in justice handed out.

Not sure what the answer is, he definitely should be serving more time.

Agreed, there always has been disparity between judges, and juries for that matter, imo. Without knowing more it’s difficult to comment but I certainly agree that the sentence appears over lenient.

As regards the woman who encouraged arson and murder, I have absolutely no sympathy. Look at the consequences of what she advocated. There are too many individuals hiding behind a keyboard and getting away with comments that range from the hurtful to the downright subversive and dangerous. They need to realise that there is a price to pay and the sooner the better imo.