Election Year or Fear!

[MadAmster]

A rather fishy idea... one man's meat being another man's poisson.

Whatever your views on violence, I'd hope that all of us on here would, faced with seeing a bloke raping a 10 year old, would step in and, at the very least stop the attack, preferably hold the assailant until the police arrived and, if that took the odd punch, headbutt or kick being given to achieve the necessary restraint of the attacker, would do whatever it takes.

Which of you, if anybody, have I overestimated?

[SithHappens]

I'd like to think we would yes, how we would actually react is hard to predict, I think the circumstances and locality to other people would affect how you act.

It depends who else is around to alert authorities, if no one is then I'd suspect it would be more scaring him off and calling them to come take care of the 10 year old.

It's not an easy situation to predict.

[Andy_Faber]

A rather fishy idea... one man's meat being another man's poisson.

Whatever your views on violence, I'd hope that all of us on here would, faced with seeing a bloke raping a 10 year old, would step in and, at the very least stop the attack, preferably hold the assailant until the police arrived and, if that took the odd punch, headbutt or kick being given to achieve the necessary restraint of the attacker, would do whatever it takes.

Which of you, if anybody, have I overestimated?

Most of us I?d suggest, and certainly me. Anything beyond ?preferably? is irrelevant to the main issue, protecting the ten year old

[SithHappens]

In this day and age what percentage, not on here but general population, first reaction would be whip out the mobile phone?

[Geoff Parkstone]

In this day and age what percentage, not on here but general population, first reaction would be whip out the mobile phone?

...and that to film it to post on social media, not to call police

[SithHappens]

...and that to film it to post on social media, not to call police

It does happen though. Not sure a rape who knows but I recall the awful scenes in Derby when the young lad committed suicide from the top of the Westfield and a big group were filming him and encouraging him to jump.

[SithHappens]

Anyway back to the online safety bill, Joey Barton has quit social media over it. Result.

[swaledale]

I've had that happen, I found a semi conscious person in London and after establishing he was breathing called the ambulance, half a dozen people around me filming it on their phones for some bizarre reason.

[swaledale]

Yes but that depends on your definition of morality which won't necessarily accord with others' definitions. For example an EFL supporter may consider it immoral to allow what in their opinion might be excessive immigration.... You can't judge others by your standards - you're not a god that makes the rules

Well you can and most people do in point of fact, indeed I go further and say that many people judge other people by standards, which they are under the illusion they hold to, but in reality don't. The fact that 40% of those picked up by the Police in last summer's riots in which most claimed they were protesting about the threat to women, girls and children, had prior contact with the Police including convictions for offences of violence and abuse against women girls and children demonstrates this.

But in general I take your point, that somebody might be against immigration (excessive of course depends upon a definition as to what that means) which is reasonable, up until the point that they include unproven and inaccurate terms which demean the immigrant.

Its perfectly reasonable to be concerned about immigration, its not reasonable or acceptable IMO to then denigrate all immigrants through unproven and baseless accusations through prejudice. That surely is a standard which no reasonably civilised person would argue with?

As RA rightly says, when certain views (of whatever political leaning) cross the line into violence, intimidation etc. Or encouraging the same, that cannot be acceptable.

[ramAnag]

In this day and age what percentage, not on here but general population, first reaction would be whip out the mobile phone?

Exactly what I was thinking, but I think MA’s point is that, despite us being regularly told that ‘violence can never be justified’, sometimes it actually is.