O/T This as got to stop.

[animallittle3]

And yet Muslims, Christians and Jews have managed to peacefully co-exist there in the past.

It's about a sense of injustice, which is a powerful thing, particularly when exploited by people for ther own ends - usually with a view to gaining power for themselves.

Well Arafat walked away from a deal 25 years at Camp David that would have given him a Palestinian state , it's capital in East Jerusalem , 96% of the West Bank and a further 4% of Israel .

A deal Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin paid for with his life even though Arafat walked away from it .

You have to wonder what great sense of injustice resided within his soul to turn that down ?

Something more powerful perhaps ?

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

And yet Muslims, Christians and Jews have managed to peacefully co-exist there in the past.

It's about a sense of injustice, which is a powerful thing, particularly when exploited by people for ther own ends - usually with a view to gaining power for themselves.

And so they do in the UK

But will it last ?

[Redshank]

Britain has a long and proud history of non-violent but criminal protest. A lot of the freedoms we enjoy today are a direct result of sacrifices made by our ancestors. These freedoms are now under serious threat.

A non-violent protest group launches a campaign of protest and criminal damage against a UK based Israeli weapons manufacturer. Said manufacturer posts annual ? losses as a result.

UK based Israeli weapons manufacturer intensely lobbies UK government to have the non-violent protest group proscribed as a terrorist organisation.

General Lord Richard Dannatt (ex-head of the British army) unashamedly and persistently lobbies the UK government for the same reason on behalf of a US weapons manufacturer.

Non-violent protest group proscribed as terrorists despite hundreds of lawyers and solicitors signing open letters advising against it. UK Home Office now touts vague and unsubstantiated " evidence " of violence as the reason (interestingly, this " evidence " wasn't presented when the government petitioned the courts to have the protest group proscribed).

Pensioners, blind, disabled people are arrested and charged under the terrorism act when they peacefully protest. A decorated ex-army officer also arrested. Many more more people are arrested in the peaceful protest than were arrested in the extremely violent poll tax riots of the 90s.

This is all inextricably linked to the insane level of carnage in Gaza.

Dark powers are at work. The blatant disregard of international law and human rights in the pursuit of the $ should make us all very worried. Our government are up to their necks in it, but don't give a sh;;t

People need to wake up and smell the coffee.

[KerrAvon]

Well Arafat walked away from a deal 25 years at Camp David that would have given him a Palestinian state , it's capital in East Jerusalem , 96% of the West Bank and a further 4% of Israel .

A deal Israeli PM Yitzhak Rabin paid for with his life even though Arafat walked away from it .

You have to wonder what great sense of injustice resided within his soul to turn that down ?

Something more powerful perhaps ?

I see that you have brought into the Israeli version of the deal that Arafat was offered at Camp David. You missed out the surrender of Palestinian mineral rights to Israel, the stationing of Israeli military forces in the proposed Palestinian state, the surrender of most of East Jerusalem and a host of other conditions that would have made it impossible for him to accept.

Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995 - 5 years before Camp David - making it hard to see how he could have died for what was offered there. He did pay for his desire to see peace with the Palestinians, however - he was killed by an ultra-conservative Jew - the people who now prop up Netanyahu's government and are shaping Israeli policy in Gaza and the West Bank.

[KerrAvon]

And so they do in the UK

But will it last ?

Who can say? Mosely failed to drive the UK public into widespread support for the British Union of Fascists and the fate of the Jews that would have followed, but whether that was because of an innate sense of tolerance in the British public or simply because what was happening in Germany caused people to wake up to where they were being driven who can say?

Sadly, it is far easier to foment unrest now. All the modern day rabble rouser has to do now is to tweet some crap on Twitter and those who want to be fooled will be.

[animallittle3]

I see that you have brought into the Israeli version of the deal that Arafat was offered at Camp David. You missed out the surrender of Palestinian mineral rights to Israel, the stationing of Israeli military forces in the proposed Palestinian state, the surrender of most of East Jerusalem and a host of other conditions that would have made it impossible for him to accept.

Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995 - 5 years before Camp David - making it hard to see how he could have died for what was offered there. He did pay for his desire to see peace with the Palestinians, however - he was killed by an ultra-conservative Jew - the people who now prop up Netanyahu's government and are shaping Israeli policy in Gaza and the West Bank.

Yep you are correct , I got mixed up with the Oslo deal in the 90's

[animallittle3]

Britain has a long and proud history of non-violent but criminal protest. A lot of the freedoms we enjoy today are a direct result of sacrifices made by our ancestors. These freedoms are now under serious threat.

A non-violent protest group launches a campaign of protest and criminal damage against a UK based Israeli weapons manufacturer. Said manufacturer posts annual ? losses as a result.

UK based Israeli weapons manufacturer intensely lobbies UK government to have the non-violent protest group proscribed as a terrorist organisation.

General Lord Richard Dannatt (ex-head of the British army) unashamedly and persistently lobbies the UK government for the same reason on behalf of a US weapons manufacturer.

Non-violent protest group proscribed as terrorists despite hundreds of lawyers and solicitors signing open letters advising against it. UK Home Office now touts vague and unsubstantiated " evidence " of violence as the reason (interestingly, this " evidence " wasn't presented when the government petitioned the courts to have the protest group proscribed).

Pensioners, blind, disabled people are arrested and charged under the terrorism act when they peacefully protest. A decorated ex-army officer also arrested. Many more more people are arrested in the peaceful protest than were arrested in the extremely violent poll tax riots of the 90s.

This is all inextricably linked to the insane level of carnage in Gaza.

Dark powers are at work. The blatant disregard of international law and human rights in the pursuit of the $ should make us all very worried. Our government are up to their necks in it, but don't give a sh;;t

People need to wake up and smell the coffee.

There are crimes allegedly committed by Palestine Action yet to be made public due to sensitive security protocol so they may well be more to Palestine Action than many of us know .

I don't think those arrested on Saturday at the demo are terrorists but they may well be people in Palestine Action who may well be and supporting a terrorist group is a crime .

Breaking in to a British Military Base is an act of terrorism , surely you can understand why it would be considered so , add the 7 million pounds of damage they caused then you are clearly looking at a custodial sentence .

I'm no Labour fanboy these days by any means but the government did go to great lengths to tell people they would face arrest for supporting Palestine Action , the government couldn't have been any clearer .

Sorry it's come as a bit of a shock for elderly people , ex magistrates , doctors or anybody else who thinks their standing in life gives them some kind of reprieve .

Anti Terrorism legislation doesn't have boxes marked except for those who feel entitled enough to break the law .

[millersrus]

I see that you have brought into the Israeli version of the deal that Arafat was offered at Camp David. You missed out the surrender of Palestinian mineral rights to Israel, the stationing of Israeli military forces in the proposed Palestinian state, the surrender of most of East Jerusalem and a host of other conditions that would have made it impossible for him to accept.

Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995 - 5 years before Camp David - making it hard to see how he could have died for what was offered there. He did pay for his desire to see peace with the Palestinians, however - he was killed by an ultra-conservative Jew - the people who now prop up Netanyahu's government and are shaping Israeli policy in Gaza and the West Bank.

I was not surprised to see your anti everything Israel version of events, how about this for a bit of balance, the version of the middle man Bill Clinton.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/bill-c...stinian-state/

You probably won’t believe as it’s got Israel in link, try this one then

https://www.newsweek.com/clinton-ara...r-fault-153779

[millersrus]

Yep you are correct , I got mixed up with the Oslo deal in the 90's

Don’t do yourself down, the reasons were the same. Concessions by him in 1993 to the PLO ultimately got him killed. Extremism on both sides.

[Redshank]

There are crimes allegedly committed by Palestine Action yet to be made public due to sensitive security protocol so they may well be more to Palestine Action than many of us know .

I don't think those arrested on Saturday at the demo are terrorists but they may well be people in Palestine Action who may well be and supporting a terrorist group is a crime .

Breaking in to a British Military Base is an act of terrorism , surely you can understand why it would be considered so , add the 7 million pounds of damage they caused then you are clearly looking at a custodial sentence .

I'm no Labour fanboy these days by any means but the government did go to great lengths to tell people they would face arrest for supporting Palestine Action , the government couldn't have been any clearer .

Sorry it's come as a bit of a shock for elderly people , ex magistrates , doctors or anybody else who thinks their standing in life gives them some kind of reprieve .

Anti Terrorism legislation doesn't have boxes marked except for those who feel entitled enough to break the law .

The government had started the process to have them proscribed as a terrorist group before they broke into Brize Norton. This was a direct result of lobbying, mainly by Elbit... and probably the Israeli embassy. Dannatt chucked his hat into the ring for good measure

Anyway, the damage to the planes wasn't terrorism, it was criminal damage. I'd say they did the government a favour by showing them how embarassingly easy it was to break into a military base and commit a crime so serious that the government supposedly views as terrorism. " Real terrorists " would have had the chance to blow up all the planes and probably wipe out half the garrison.

However you look at it, its making Starmer and his cronies look like a bunch of amateurish fools. But that's something he seems to revel in.