OT Border Control State of Emergency

[ragingpup]

He or his lawyer had foresight to plead not guilty.

Lucy Connolly got bad advice and is in prison. If she'd pleaded not guilty she would have got off as well.

Both guilty in my opinion but neither should be doing time.

So why do I think they would both get off. The make up of the jury.

These are the twitter crew that people like Kerr want to discredit and talk down at every opportunity. Does he not think these people make up juries?

I can't fathom why people don't see there's a very worrying trend developing and it's not going to end well.

'The twitter crew' will indeed be represented in juries but importantly, unlike the composition of groups of people on a footy message board, or large (but still comparatively small in context of the rest of the adult population) number of people who all follow the same issue, share the same tweets and join the same groups on social media, it is being very much amplified by one another until it seems to them that their views represent the general population. However, a group of 12 people is representitive of the whole adult population and so a very politically active ant-immigrant voice may only be represented by 1, 2 or even 0 people who are then outweighed by 10 or 11 other citizens who aren't predominantly motivated by such views. Therefore, taken away from their twitter sounding boards and discussing actual context and evidence with the rest of the jury, said tweet-ee is more likely to be swayed with the majority in the room with them.

I think the very worrying thing for people who are getting much news from twitter and social media is the frightening amount of 'news' or 'facts' that are loaded onto there and shared en masse that are simply made up, or distorting real events in order to stir up further outrage and unrest amongst their colleagues. I get these sent to me all of the time by my old Rotherham school pal (I still love him to bits) and only a small amount of looking up the situation of the post he has sent me usually leads to very deliberate distortion and even complete fabrication of factual events. But when I put back to him the real evidence, and how it has been distorted, my pal usually just hrumphs or makes a joke, but carries on believing it!

Only recently we had a social media post on this board where an interviewer for a Patriot message board was interviewing 2 ex-forces men who said that they had been evicted from their flat to make room for asylum seekers. Only 5 mins of research showed this was completely fabricated, but such message board leaders are hell bent on fabricating and twisting facts which is met with repeatedly unquestioning eagerness and causing huge amounts of anger and hysteria.

I'm not happy about the numbers of people arriving without checks into the country. It's not a healthy situation. But I recognise the difficulty that politicians in all major European countries have in navigating a whole host of laws and relationships with neighbour countries in providing workable solutions, especially as the country from which the small boats are sailing are having to deal with many more arrivals and asylum claims than we do. It's a ****ing ball ache but the worrying thing for me is not so much that the situation is being exploited by many extremely clever and manipulative people who try to lead us to thinking there are deep and sinister political motivations that are facilitating the issue, but that so many otherwise sensible, normal people are so, so willing to accept the social media postings as facts.

[Pocket rocket]

I’m not political I’m definitely not far right.

2 of my family members both serving police officers are leaving the force
They in their words can’t keep policing which is aimed at protecting a certain demographic.
They have both seen what’s happening and can’t continue with the two tier policing operational instructions. 35 years service gone because ethically they can’t carry on.
They were both labour supporters but they’ve had enough. They won’t vote moving forward.
They don’t go on twitter they aren’t easily influenced they know what’s happening.
Not everyone is the twitter gang.
Loads of serving officers aren’t happy and are looking to leave.

[KerrAvon]

Thanks, raging.

I forgot to deal with the jury composition point and agree with what you have said.

[Grist_To_The_Mill]

Plus note that Connolly and Brown were charged with breaches of two different offences

The outcome had already been manipulated before a single person entered the court

[Back of the net]

It’s amazing how some posters on here will challenge people’s perceptions or opinions as gullible or misinformed.
Yet when someone posts real events eg pockets post. Silence. I wonder why ?
It’s easier to dismiss people as far right etc but when presented with a sad situation of two tier examples nothing just bypass and wait to pounce in the next post that can be dismissed.

[NorthWestCorner]

It was their judgement upon whether he held the intent required to prove the charge that was brought against him.

If you think that you or the Twitter crew are in a better position than to make that judgement then so be it. I disagree.

You disagreement is comforting.

Intent? I mean, I am sure you are legal correct but he knew what he was saying, in the same way as that Lucy Connolly did.

Again, your sort will be glowing from this because of the colour of his skin. Perhaps we should start some sort of foundation?

[howdydoo]

Thanks, raging.

I forgot to deal with the jury composition point and agree with what you have said.

You and Raging can continue to pat each other on the back until the cows come home.

The is party political system is changing and I think our legal system will come into disrepute.

The electorate hasn't voted for what this country is turning into. If you guys don't believe there's anything to worry about, fair enough.

Not going to fall out over it. You patently believe everyone else is stupid or an extreme racist.

[millersrus]

It’s amazing how some posters on here will challenge people’s perceptions or opinions as gullible or misinformed.
Yet when someone posts real events eg pockets post. Silence. I wonder why ?
It’s easier to dismiss people as far right etc but when presented with a sad situation of two tier examples nothing just bypass and wait to pounce in the next post that can be dismissed.

I think they call it controlling the narrative, it?s what they do.

[ragingpup]

You and Raging can continue to pat each other on the back until the cows come home.

The is party political system is changing and I think our legal system will come into disrepute.

The electorate hasn't voted for what this country is turning into. If you guys don't believe there's anything to worry about, fair enough.

Not going to fall out over it. You patently believe everyone else is stupid or an extreme racist.

I haven't called anyone racist or stupid howdy. Just pointing out the fact that online sites are producing content that contain blatant, blatant lies and distortions that are very easy to track and show are lies and distortions but despite that, people are watching/reading and believing/ sharing and don't even care when the lies and distortions are pointed out. I don't know if you call that thick or racist or whatever. It's just happening.

[Pocket rocket]

I haven't called anyone racist or stupid howdy. Just pointing out the fact that online sites are producing content that contain blatant, blatant lies and distortions that are very easy to track and show are lies and distortions but despite that, people are watching/reading and believing/ sharing and don't even care when the lies and distortions are pointed out. I don't know if you call that thick or racist or whatever. It's just happening.

Agreed but the government has done everything you have stated and people will still back them, vote for them. Make that make sense Raging.