Thomas Holmes Injured

[Brin]

Just wanted to jump in on this - the past 2 days the 'staff' have ran 22k at an average pace of 4:30/km. Not only is the distance excessive, the pace is too. This is public information which is on Ross' strava, showing where he's ran, when and how long it takes. It was posted on twitter last night and I was shocked. As a runner myself, I regularly cover upwards of 50km a week, but running every run at a hard effort like a 4:30 pace would be killing the majority of professional runners. There's an argument that 4:30 pace is an 'easy' pace, but would then mean they're on par for pro marathon runner pace, which I don't believe any of our staff are.

As mentioned, if this is the backroom staff, what are the players doing? They're also playing football on top of whatever cardio work they're doing + gym and mobility work.

Long story short, they're being ran to death and then asked to play football on top, with no proper recovery.

Thank you for posting this, I feel justified.

[Pocket rocket]

Thank you for posting this, I feel justified.

I’m sorry but have the club confirmed this?
Until then and it may or may not be true nobody is right or justified with anything.
It’s like the emotional state of what’s happened as to what people say has happened.
If it’s true then let’s wait till the club confirm that Ross is to blame for this.
I’ll wait for the club to confirm it rather than some bloke on a message board.
Then I’ll be live it’s true.

[CAMiller]

Just wanted to jump in on this - the past 2 days the 'staff' have ran 22k at an average pace of 4:30/km. Not only is the distance excessive, the pace is too. This is public information which is on Ross' strava, showing where he's ran, when and how long it takes. It was posted on twitter last night and I was shocked. As a runner myself, I regularly cover upwards of 50km a week, but running every run at a hard effort like a 4:30 pace would be killing the majority of professional runners. There's an argument that 4:30 pace is an 'easy' pace, but would then mean they're on par for pro marathon runner pace, which I don't believe any of our staff are.

As mentioned, if this is the backroom staff, what are the players doing? They're also playing football on top of whatever cardio work they're doing + gym and mobility work.

Long story short, they're being ran to death and then asked to play football on top, with no proper recovery.

10-12km is what an average player covers in a game so 22km over 2 days might be excessive for training or maybe just trying to prepare them for games? 4.30/km is nowhere near pro marathon pace, that's 4.30/mile. 4.30/km is twice the speed of a brisk walk or one third the speed of a full sprint.

I'm not arguing the merits of the training regime, just trying to frame the figures more accurately.

[Yak]

Just wanted to jump in on this - the past 2 days the 'staff' have ran 22k at an average pace of 4:30/km. Not only is the distance excessive, the pace is too. This is public information which is on Ross' strava, showing where he's ran, when and how long it takes. It was posted on twitter last night and I was shocked. As a runner myself, I regularly cover upwards of 50km a week, but running every run at a hard effort like a 4:30 pace would be killing the majority of professional runners. There's an argument that 4:30 pace is an 'easy' pace, but would then mean they're on par for pro marathon runner pace, which I don't believe any of our staff are.

As mentioned, if this is the backroom staff, what are the players doing? They're also playing football on top of whatever cardio work they're doing + gym and mobility work.

Long story short, they're being ran to death and then asked to play football on top, with no proper recovery.

I?m guessing you have a sports science degree etc?
You obviously know better than the professionals then.
Long story short your opinion is now a fact.
Our supporters are an unbelievable at times.

[Old_time_miller]

The plain fact is, if you haven?t had a proper pre season, not played much (as in this case probably), prone to injury, and older player, asked to come in and play in a physical style or intensity you are not just used to, chase around doing everything others should be doing (as seemed the case in this instance) - all the scenarios will leave any player more likely to get injured.

It?s no good spouting that it?s a rare type of injury, it is not relevant. That is just blindsiding. Avoiding the issue.

[Old_time_miller]

And yes, it is just gut wrenching, sickening. A player head and shoulders above everyone else. The rest should take a good long look at themselves.

[Old_time_miller]

I?m guessing you have a sports science degree etc?
You obviously know better than the professionals then.
Long story short your opinion is now a fact.
Our supporters are an unbelievable at times.

I agree with the original poster. You only have to look at what the players are like in games. Tired out looking, not realy up to scratch some of them.
Picking over why, when we are not privy isn’t helpful. There will be lots of individual reasons.

[Townerslovechild]

Same as everyone else, I don't what's causing all these injuries, as with most things in life, it's probably a combination of few things, not just one reason.
I think it's the right thing to do to have the hardest working, fitist team in the league as we will won't have the most talent.
Our best managers,Moore and Warne realised this pretty quickly, that's one reason why they were so successful.

[Upthemillers14]

10-12km is what an average player covers in a game so 22km over 2 days might be excessive for training or maybe just trying to prepare them for games? 4.30/km is nowhere near pro marathon pace, that's 4.30/mile. 4.30/km is twice the speed of a brisk walk or one third the speed of a full sprint.

I'm not arguing the merits of the training regime, just trying to frame the figures more accurately.

Let me just clarify - pro marathon pace on race day is absolutely 4.30 ish per mile. But they don't train at that pace regularly, it isn't going to end well if they did.

I'd love for you to run just 1km at 4.30/km pace, for you to realise how quick that actually is. Then do it 22 times in the space of 2 days + hours worth of football on top. No matter how fit or unfit someone is, they'd be knackered. It's not sustainable at all.

[Upthemillers14]

I?m guessing you have a sports science degree etc?
You obviously know better than the professionals then.
Long story short your opinion is now a fact.
Our supporters are an unbelievable at times.

It doesn't take a degree to work out that the staff aren't training at the same level as the players, yet are doing silly amounts of running themselves, which isn't sustainable in the long term.

Sure you might keep it up for a few weeks, but the load being put on your body would quickly wear you down