Charlie Kirk has been shot and as sadley died

[soulman101]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxEOAQoEtrc

[soulman101]

Some reports say he is still critical .

[Dubbag]

Well at the moment it looks like he is still dead.

[WBA123]

Absolute madness. It just shows you how divisive politics is right now.

I speak as someone who does not agree with the majority of what he said. Having said that, he was obviously a bright individual and was perfectly entitled to his opinions. Political violence is never the answer, whichever side of the political spectrum you are on.

[baggieal]

Absolute madness. It just shows you how divisive politics is right now.

I speak as someone who does not agree with the majority of what he said. Having said that, he was obviously a bright individual and was perfectly entitled to his opinions. Political violence is never the answer, whichever side of the political spectrum you are on.

Agree! People get wound up and do things they will regret. Bit like pure stupidity from people in power calling all those protesting outside hotels - Far Right! Many in fact are mothers who worry about further s exual assaults on school runs. I get it but the people in power don?t and are get their priorities wrong.

[Omegstrat6]

Disagreed with a lot of what Kirk said and believed in but this was yet another example of how the use of violence rather than debate has sadly begun to grow in the US-and IMHO Trump's own rhetoric and actions have only inflamed things. What happened to Kirk was appalling regardless of your views on his opinions.

Very sadly, both right and left wing extremists are jumping on this. The right (unsurprisingly) talk of retribution and ramp up their opposition to gun control as they are either disingenuous or else too thick to understand the logic of more access to guns = higher risk of such shootings and keep to the "its not the gun, its the shooter" line. Ironically, I understand that Kirk was in the middle of talking about this (a view he supported) when he was shot.

On the other hand, there are those on the far left having a go at Gavin Newsom and other Democrats for decrying this horrendous act and some even celebrating Kirk's killing. America is a vast country with widely differing demographics and so it has long been understandably vulnerable to divisiveness but things certainly seem to be getting worse. Not sure what the answer is, but I am pretty sure that it is not a narcissistic president who previously incited an armed mob to storm the Capitol building.

[kettering_baggie]

The USA is a vast country with more than its fair share of nutters across the political spectrum but it is also a very welcoming country to visit, I loved my time in the States. You would be very unlucky indeed to get caught up in a shooting, probably just as likely as being in London or Liverpool.

[baggieal]

The USA is a vast country with more than its fair share of nutters across the political spectrum but it is also a very welcoming country to visit, I loved my time in the States. You would be very unlucky indeed to get caught up in a shooting, probably just as likely as being in London or Liverpool.

Couldn?t agree more Ketts. I travelled all around California this Summer and the people were absolutely fantastic. Many didn?t particularly like Trump but it?s a fact - illegal immigration is down to almost nothing. Trump has given the go-head for Ukraine to purchase long range missiles. But some have a short memory - it was wet lettuce Joe who dithered on not giving Ukraine permission to use long range missiles. The USA and Poland provide more support than the U.K. towards NATO than some moan. Some NATO countries provide zero support or missiles and yet many still blame Trump. If I was a USA tax payer I would want every NATO country to give the same percentage towards GDP or provide what some other NATO countries do - nothing!

As you say the USA is vast and the U.K. could fit into Florida alone so of course a shooting will be big news. I feel safer though in the US than many Cities in the U.K. where you could be stabbed to death. Also I would have less worry with my daughters being raped and assaulted in the US than here in the U.K. where it?s seems that girls are s exual objects to many of the illegals who roam many streets.

I am not a fan of Trump but he?s got more balls than Starmer ever will.

[baggiematt]

Awful that he was executed in cold blood and freedom of speech should always be protected but there wont be a short list of potential shooters.

Islamophobic, anti LGBT, a Russian sympathiser, believed Palestine shouldnt exist, anti-Europe etc.

Ironically he was anti gun laws too.

Share those views a bit too loudly and you get enemies.

[baggieal]

Awful that he was executed in cold blood and freedom of speech should always be protected but there wont be a short list of potential shooters.

Islamophobic, anti LGBT, a Russian sympathiser, believed Palestine shouldnt exist, anti-Europe etc.

Ironically he was anti gun laws too.

Share those views a bit too loudly and you get enemies.

Bit harsh Matt as he was allowed to say what he thought. Many wouldn?t disagree with his comments about the U.K. below. When I was touring California this Summer professional people were saying the same ie what?s gone wrong with thousands of young male illegals arriving daily and being put up in hotels!

Kirk described the UK as a ?totalitarian third world hellhole?, adding: ?It?s tragic. I don?t say that with glib, I don?t say that with delight. It is sad. It?s chilling and it?s depressing.?

He claimed he had seen a cafe in which ?every single table was taken by a Mohammedan and a fully burqa-wearing woman ? not a single native Brit? and that people were being arrested for online posts that displayed no apparent harmful intent.

?They invented free speech,? he said. ?Now there?s so much wrong with that country and it is not worthy of making fun of. I mean, you can have some laughs and some comedy, but it is depressing. It is dark.?