OT Border Control State of Emergency

[ragingpup]

I appreciate your reply Raging.
During a thread on the ukrainien war and just after trump won his election I asked you about funding the war is where I got your willingness to give money for that war.

On threads going back you once said that you were not proud of Britain's history.

Your background is impressive and there are not enough people like you that are able to climb out of such a position. Britain as well as societies all over the world needs the likes of you to give back and from memory you seem to do this with ***ually confused kids.

You see we just go back and forth without really knowing who we are talking to. The less you know about people the more entitled people feel they have a right to judge.

I have met many members from this board and I must be honest I do treat them differently. I am quite happy to call Brin a tit because I have met him a few times and he knows I don’t mean to offend it is just something that I would say to his face anyway.

Reading about your life and struggles, the way you won through and the fact that you once said that you danced to ABBA like a kid really gives me a better perspective of you. One that I like and one that has given me more respect towards you.

I thank you for opening up.

Ps. I didn’t read the first few paragraphs!

Thanks for the very kind words frog, very much appreciated. It was a rough start but many have lots worse and I've had a good share of lucky breaks since.

Wow, that's some good trawling there! Yes, to qualify, and without wishing to open the debates again, I was/am behind intervention in Ukraine, but the pacifist in me warring with the realist hates the arms trade as an instinct and oppose most. Re British history, there are parts of our history, namely the colonial part, of which I am not proud but I'm sure a deeper trawl would find me also saying that we have every reason to be proud of many other parts, not least our involvement in the great wars to play a big role in defeating fascism.

Yep, would love to meet and chat with posters as sure we'd get on much better than it seems on politics posts. My racist best mate (he now is quite happy to call himself that after many years of denial, and I love his honesty) are worlds apart politically but we were born in the same street, 3 days apart and share similar childhoods that keep us connected. Never a day goes by when I don't get at least a handful of his social media harvested far right memes, but we have a bloody good laugh when we get together for a pint! I'm sure most of us would on here.

He won't dance to ABBA though. Miserable ****.

[ragingpup]

Winner. Especially as the NHS has been so utterly corrupted/broken by those controlling the Uniparty. It needs breaking up.

You think maybe he should tell Rhonda this then? She'll be so upset!

[frogmiller]

Thanks for the very kind words frog, very much appreciated. It was a rough start but many have lots worse and I've had a good share of lucky breaks since.

Wow, that's some good trawling there! Yes, to qualify, and without wishing to open the debates again, I was/am behind intervention in Ukraine, but the pacifist in me warring with the realist hates the arms trade as an instinct and oppose most. Re British history, there are parts of our history, namely the colonial part, of which I am not proud but I'm sure a deeper trawl would find me also saying that we have every reason to be proud of many other parts, not least our involvement in the great wars to play a big role in defeating fascism.

Yep, would love to meet and chat with posters as sure we'd get on much better than it seems on politics posts. My racist best mate (he now is quite happy to call himself that after many years of denial, and I love his honesty) are worlds apart politically but we were born in the same street, 3 days apart and share similar childhoods that keep us connected. Never a day goes by when I don't get at least a handful of his social media harvested far right memes, but we have a bloody good laugh when we get together for a pint! I'm sure most of us would on here.

He won't dance to ABBA though. Miserable ****.

No trawling, the things stuck in my head for some daft reason.

[ragingpup]

No trawling, the things stuck in my head for some daft reason.

THat's bloody impressive. I struggle to remember things said yesterday!

[animallittle3]

Johnson did make those visa changes that allowed more mid to lower skilled workers to enter and work in the UK. But if you, or anyone on here were in his position, with industry reporting severe employee deficits in social care, food production and hospitality, what decision would you yourself make?

What evidence is there that importing thousands of immigrants to do low paid work is detrimental to the economy? True, we are not growing as an economy, but how might our economy performed with large holes in the workforce in these sectors?

But of course you're right on the cultural issues, and large numbers of the population heaping pressure on politicians and the only politicians likely to benefit are those that manage to what appear to be simple answers to a public that only want to hear simplistic answers, but actually behind those simplistic answers are huge **** off implications that are likely to hit the voters much harder economically.

I hear that some are past the point of caring and happy to take that hit. That's fair enough, I can't argue with that. What I do have a problem with are people that are trying duck the implications and swallow and spread quite obvious lies and fantasies in order to hand Farage his mandate.People may have lost faith in politics and economics, but in handing power to Farage, that won't stop politics and economics happening and as Truss showed, with Farage approving loudly from the sidelines, the implications for school politics in the real world is really quite ****ing expensive.

A 25 years old migrant with low skills coming to the UK and working at minimum wage levels will cost the UK taxpayer 150k at retirement age , they will be a cost to the state upon arrival and won't be able to make up that deficit for the rest of their working life despite not having an education here or received any health care before they arrived here .

That's from The Office For Budget Responsibility .

[frogmiller]

THat's bloody impressive. I struggle to remember things said yesterday!

To be honest I find it much more difficult to remember when I am tired because of the stroke I had. But like you I now don't let it determine the person that I am. I am still learning how to write in English and french again using a pen. It is a bit wierd because I can write using a keyboard in English but not every day with a pen.

[ragingpup]

To be honest I find it much more difficult to remember when I am tired because of the stroke I had. But like you I now don't let it determine the person that I am. I am still learning how to write in English and french again using a pen. It is a bit wierd because I can write using a keyboard in English but not every day with a pen.

Well, despite the stroke, your memory may struggle at times, but it still is very impressive at remembering detailis from quite a while ago. Interesting that you are struggling more with pen than keyboard. A lot of adults that have swicthed to keyboard for comms will notice how much their writing habit has deteriorated through lack of practice and repition. It happens much more than we realise, a huge change in comms culture.Good schools are aware of this in keeping kids handwriting across the board as all GCSE and A Levels are hand written, but some FE colleges like mine run vocational courses where tutors only take digital assessments. As a result many of our 16 and 17 year olds who have to retake their English GCSEs quickly fall out of practice between their September start and the time they resit their exam in June the following year. This has proved a real problem to us, we have to find ways to keep them handwriting, otherwise they spend much of their exam fumbling with pens and quickly aching at the wrist.

[ragingpup]

A 25 years old migrant with low skills coming to the UK and working at minimum wage levels will cost the UK taxpayer 150k at retirement age , they will be a cost to the state upon arrival and won't be able to make up that deficit for the rest of their working life despite not having an education here or received any health care before they arrived here .

That's from The Office For Budget Responsibility .

That's a very interesting take on it animal. The same report also confirms that any migrant who arrives earning an average UK salarywhich includes the majority of medium and high skills imported migrants are actually offering a significantly greater financial gain the the UK economy, significantly more than a domestic citizen.

Now bear in mind that 53% of migrants who entered the UK in 2024 are High Skills, and therfore will bring in a much higher economic gain and 22% arrive to fill medium skilled roles, that makes up 80% of migrants entering in 2024 who are high/medium skilled are therefore bringing much higher economic benefit than the domestic workforce. I didn't know that before, so thanks for this link.

So, you are correct in that the remaining 20% are a net drain on the UK economy. However, the majority of these have directly entered the social care sector, which surely we can agree are hugely, hugely valuable jobs that have to be done. The visas were granted as we were't filling them domestically - so either we imported low skills workers, together with their net economic drainor we have a huge number of vacancies in the health and social care sector. We'd also probably both agree that there is no way that these jobs, which have their own extremely complex skills set and emotional demands should be neither called 'low skills' or should be low paid? Would we agree on that? Perhaps then we may be able to attract more domestic workers into these positions.

So isn't the answer that we simply raise the status of this sector or work, and pay them a better wage? Again, it boils down to cost - who is going to pay for it?

[howdydoo]

That's a very interesting take on it animal. The same report also confirms that any migrant who arrives earning an average UK salarywhich includes the majority of medium and high skills imported migrants are actually offering a significantly greater financial gain the the UK economy, significantly more than a domestic citizen.

Now bear in mind that 53% of migrants who entered the UK in 2024 are High Skills, and therfore will bring in a much higher economic gain and 22% arrive to fill medium skilled roles, that makes up 80% of migrants entering in 2024 who are high/medium skilled are therefore bringing much higher economic benefit than the domestic workforce. I didn't know that before, so thanks for this link.

So, you are correct in that the remaining 20% are a net drain on the UK economy. However, the majority of these have directly entered the social care sector, which surely we can agree are hugely, hugely valuable jobs that have to be done. The visas were granted as we were't filling them domestically - so either we imported low skills workers, together with their net economic drainor we have a huge number of vacancies in the health and social care sector. We'd also probably both agree that there is no way that these jobs, which have their own extremely complex skills set and emotional demands should be neither called 'low skills' or should be low paid? Would we agree on that? Perhaps then we may be able to attract more domestic workers into these positions.

So isn't the answer that we simply raise the status of this sector or work, and pay them a better wage? Again, it boils down to cost - who is going to pay for it?

That's about the most clueless post I've ever read on here.

Brainwashed.

[ragingpup]

That's about the most clueless post I've ever read on here.

Brainwashed.

I thought it was quite evidence based using the same report animal used? Do you disagree with him also?

You're very welcome to highlight areas of the points that you disagree with and counter argument.