OT. The futures Bright, the Futures Brexit!!!

[swaledale]

Out of interest how do you think it might affect trade as USA isn't in EHCR and it's not seeming to limit their capacity to trade with Europe.

Asking for a friend as I have no view either way

The USA and other countries we or the EU trade with are subject to separate negotiated agreements.

The current UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement (TCA) is dependent on the UK’s continued membership of the ECHR. Leaving the ECHR is likely to be considered a breach of an ‘essential element’ of the TCA (‘the Parties reaffirm their respect for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the international human rights treaties to which they are parties’ (Article 763)) which will enable the EU ‘to terminate or suspend the operation of this Agreement … in whole or in part’ (Article 772).

While unlikely to lead to a complete suspension of trade, it will mean that further renegotiation of the deal to remove the onerous requirements on paper work, it would end any prospect of better deals for animal and plant trade. The price of food and other goods would rise as a consequence and the trade already lost by thousands of small to medium suppliers will never be recovered.

The UK has already lost around 15% in export trade with the EU at great cost to the economy and indeed us its citizens due to Brexit and specifically the fact that despite the claims of those on the Vote leave side, that the EU would be eager to trade on the same terms, funnily enough they weren't and didn't.

The prospect of more friction on trade and no prospect of reducing the existing costs and friction imposed under existing deals with the EU, would inevitably result in prices rising and trade declining.


In addition of course, the Belfast/Good Friday Agreement (GFA), which has helped to secure peace in Northern Ireland, is underpinned by UK membership of the ECHR. Even that know purveyor of fantasy policies, Farage admits that the GFA would have to be renegotiated – no easy feat when the initial agreement required referendums on both sides of the Irish border.

And all for what? Leave the ECHR and kiss goodbye to returning failed asylum seekers to the EU, they won't accept them.

Amending it is a possibility, but complicated, but in any case, contrary to what certain media and other commentators report, its application is only affecting a very few cases where the UK wishes to deport people. So the benefits will be negligible, set against the disbenefit.

[swaledale]

If people needed reminders of what Brexit has done to us all, 12 October will come as a jolt. That?s when the EU finally begins its long-delayed stricter border checks, with a new entry-exit system (EES). At the border, the system will take not just passports, but fingerprints and photographs, storing data to enforce the rule that no Britons can stay in the Schengen area for more than 90 out of any 180 days. A ?20, three-year visa is due to come in next year.

The disruption this will cause and the delays and costs particularly to those who travel to the EU on a regular basis (Transport firms for one_ will increase.

[MadAmster]

Thankfully, I have a UK and a Dutch passport to get round all this UK and EU malarkey

[SithHappens]

Thankfully, I have a UK and a Dutch passport to get round all this UK and EU malarkey

And Farage himself is rumored to have applied for a German passport the day after the brexit referendum. Only a rumour but he has refused to confirm or deny it.

[SithHappens]

If people needed reminders of what Brexit has done to us all, 12 October will come as a jolt. That?s when the EU finally begins its long-delayed stricter border checks, with a new entry-exit system (EES). At the border, the system will take not just passports, but fingerprints and photographs, storing data to enforce the rule that no Britons can stay in the Schengen area for more than 90 out of any 180 days. A ?20, three-year visa is due to come in next year.

The disruption this will cause and the delays and costs particularly to those who travel to the EU on a regular basis (Transport firms for one_ will increase.

Of course been discussed here a few times. Mostly those on the side of brexit claim it's not going to make things 'much' worse, or deny it's an effect of brexit. Of course it's not because of brexit its happening but us no longer being in the EU means we will be impacted by it.

And let's not forget a certain poster claiming it was not going to impact anyone because he had traveled a number of times since Brexit with no issues.

[MadAmster]

And Farage himself is rumored to have applied for a German passport the day after the brexit referendum. Only a rumour but he has refused to confirm or deny it.

It's also rumoured he didn't get one. Neither assertion seems to have any factual basis.

Two of his kids hold both UK and German passports, however, as their father is a Brit and their mother is German, that's not any great mystery.

[Andy_Faber]

Of course been discussed here a few times. Mostly those on the side of brexit claim it's not going to make things 'much' worse, or deny it's an effect of brexit. Of course it's not because of brexit its happening but us no longer being in the EU means we will be impacted by it.

And let's not forget a certain poster claiming it was not going to impact anyone because he had traveled a number of times since Brexit with no issues.

Are you suggesting that?s not true? It?s quite possible. After 12th Oct, we?ll prob not but we?ll see

[SithHappens]

Are you suggesting that?s not true? It?s quite possible. After 12th Oct, we?ll prob not but we?ll see

Well even if it's only a little bit worse it's still worse, brexit was supposed to make things better not just a little bit worse. Of course the 20 charge that will be coming our way cant possibly be labelled as a brexit benefit even to the most ardent Brexit supporters.

The 90 day limit is of course not an improvement either

[swaledale]

Of course been discussed here a few times. Mostly those on the side of brexit claim it's not going to make things 'much' worse, or deny it's an effect of brexit. Of course it's not because of brexit its happening but us no longer being in the EU means we will be impacted by it.

And let's not forget a certain poster claiming it was not going to impact anyone because he had travelled a number of times since Brexit with no issues.

For the holiday maker or infrequent traveller, then the cots, time delay etc. it probably doesn't make a lot of difference, but if one talks to people whose business involves multiple visits or the export and import of goods from the EU and they will tell you in great detail about the paperwork, the delays and substantial significant costs. In many cases small businesses ahve stopped exporting because they can no longer make it pay.

For the non traveller, it just makes food and goods more expensive than they could be, or unobtainable in some cases and of course the hit to the economy doesn't help. But one can't expect people in their own bubble to appreciate these matters.

[MadAmster]

You couldn't make it up, part 275. According to today's Metro...

The company behind Tommy Robinson's (aka Stephen Yaxley-Lennon) Union Jack emblazoned range of merchandise, actually made in Bangladesh, will be dissolved.

Was that due to low sales caused by the goods not being made in the UK?

He (or his company or both) doesn't/don't appear to have thought this through.

Must admit, it made me smile. Possibly not adult of me, possibly not the kindest smile I've ever had but the irony is incredibly beautiful.