Egg on your face BaggieAl

[greyhorse]

A football derby in Tel Aviv between Hapoel and Maccabi has been cancelled after "violent riots", according to Israeli police.

Nine people were arrested on Sunday night at Bloomfield Stadium, a venue shared by both clubs. Hapoel were the home team for the game.

A statement from Israeli police said the game was called off "following disturbances and violent riots" in which 13 civilians and three officers were injured by pyrotechnic devices.

"These are very serious incidents that posed a real danger to the lives of police officers and civilians," the statement added.

Are you going to call the Israeli police anti-semitic 50pBaggieAl? and will you welcome these thugs with open arms if UK Gov changes there mind and allows them in?

[baggieal]

A football derby in Tel Aviv between Hapoel and Maccabi has been cancelled after "violent riots", according to Israeli police.

Nine people were arrested on Sunday night at Bloomfield Stadium, a venue shared by both clubs. Hapoel were the home team for the game.

A statement from Israeli police said the game was called off "following disturbances and violent riots" in which 13 civilians and three officers were injured by pyrotechnic devices.

"These are very serious incidents that posed a real danger to the lives of police officers and civilians," the statement added.

Are you going to call the Israeli police anti-semitic 50pBaggieAl? and will you welcome these thugs with open arms if UK Gov changes there mind and allows them in?

What has a local derby got to do with religion? Plenty of matches in this country have been abandoned or called off including our match v Wolves. Even on Saturday there was a pitch invasion at Salford by thugs and numerous arrests.

It?s you who is looking stupid Oldhambaggie - the little fat man at 4 foot 8 inches trying to cause trouble plus banned more times on this board than I?ve had hot dinners. Your mate from Barnsley away still thinks you?re a no mark.

[Dubbag]

A football derby in Tel Aviv between Hapoel and Maccabi has been cancelled after "violent riots", according to Israeli police.

Nine people were arrested on Sunday night at Bloomfield Stadium, a venue shared by both clubs. Hapoel were the home team for the game.

A statement from Israeli police said the game was called off "following disturbances and violent riots" in which 13 civilians and three officers were injured by pyrotechnic devices.

"These are very serious incidents that posed a real danger to the lives of police officers and civilians," the statement added.

Are you going to call the Israeli police anti-semitic 50pBaggieAl? and will you welcome these thugs with open arms if UK Gov changes there mind and allows them in?

Banning fans from games is not the answer. Football has always attracted hooligans and most clubs have suffered from it at some time in the past. It also proves harder to police as most likely the away fans will arrive and will get in to the ground anyway. I'm sure Palestine action group will be there outside anyway so the police will be busy either way.

[phild]

I don't think the police like to be busy. They seem to go out of their way to avoid major incidents I've been verbally and physically attacked outside mcdonalds in the High street west brom on 2 separate occasions by a group who clearly sell drugs and ive witnessed uber eats and just eat delivery staff on pushbikes being supplied with drugs and they deliver it to 'customers' Its been reported to police but they still hang around the same spot 2 weeks later

The police are less and less visible each day. The police station is 2 mins from the high street but they never patrol the High Street. ever!!

[Omegstrat6]

The fact that Maccabi have elements of hooliganism within their fan base per se is not the core issue. Most teams have this to varying degrees and unless these elements are considered large or disruptive enough then the policing levels at games should be sufficient to deal with them and therefore avoid the need for a blanket banning of fans from attending.

Unfortunately, however, there are also right wing elements within the Maccabi fans base who are not only violent but racist and anti-Arab/ Palestinian. As the game will almost certainly attract pro-Palestinian protests (even if peaceful) the reasoning behind the decision by the Police to not allow Israeli fans to attend seems entirely reasonable to me. In an ideal world maybe we should have sufficient police to deal with and arrest trouble makers from either side and protect people and property but as this is judged not to be the case surely it is better to try and avoid a potential repeat of what happened in Amsterdam?

[baggieal]

The fact that Maccabi have elements of hooliganism within their fan base per se is not the core issue. Most teams have this to varying degrees and unless these elements are considered large or disruptive enough then the policing levels at games should be sufficient to deal with them and therefore avoid the need for a blanket banning of fans from attending.

Unfortunately, however, there are also right wing elements within the Maccabi fans base who are not only violent but racist and anti-Arab/ Palestinian. As the game will almost certainly attract pro-Palestinian protests (even if peaceful) the reasoning behind the decision by the Police to not allow Israeli fans to attend seems entirely reasonable to me. In an ideal world maybe we should have sufficient police to deal with and arrest trouble makers from either side and protect people and property but as this is judged not to be the case surely it is better to try and avoid a potential repeat of what happened in Amsterdam?

Many of the problems in Amsterdam were caused by the Dutch supporters Omeg and police resourcing should be sufficient to deal with anything ie the frequent mass protests by pro Palestinian's in London where Police are hurt and businesses trashed. You can't have one set of rules for one and not the other. The Police bowed to local MP'S and residents but I doubt whether the same would have happened if Maccabi had been playing Spurs or in Manchester or Leeds where there's huge Jewish communities. Starmer albeit a gutless weak leader even knows the ban was wrong which says something. Coach the Maccabi supporters in - ban protests outside the ground - ban flags inside the ground if necessary so anything to defuse provocation. The Amsterdam issue was no worse than some Italian Derbies with all the Ultras. What about the huge trouble in this country at matches ( even still ) and vile scum singing anti jewish songs at Spurs.

The match should go on.

PS - everyone has a right for opinion or view before any trouble maker attacks either for or against attendance just like everything else.

[greyhorse]

What has a local derby got to do with religion? Plenty of matches in this country have been abandoned or called off including our match v Wolves. Even on Saturday there was a pitch invasion at Salford by thugs and numerous arrests.

It?s you who is looking stupid Oldhambaggie - the little fat man at 4 foot 8 inches trying to cause trouble plus banned more times on this board than I?ve had hot dinners. Your mate from Barnsley away still thinks you?re a no mark.

You missed the point.. the game got cancelled due to trouble and violence, the same reason of why UK authorities deemed it could cause issues here.

Any person or group deemed to potentially cause any trouble arriving from overseas should be banned - why should we pay the for police to handle this? Let alone lives at risk and damage to property. But those arriving in dingies that we know nothing about - ban from football? Of course.

[Omegstrat6]

If it could be effectively policed then I totally agree with you Al. Politics-especially those around circumstances such as the situation in Gaza-will, rightly or wrongly, always infiltrate cultural events whether that's a football match or a pop concert but the majority of fans will doubtless simply want to watch their team. The issue here is that the risk assessments carried out by the police advise that in this particular instance that the Maccabi fans should not be allowed to attend.

I can understand how some might view banning the Israeli fans from going to the game on one hand but allowing pro-Palestinian protests on the other as being an example of so called "two tier" policing but am pretty sure these decisions are based on the independent risk assessments of each situation.

Yes, the pro-Palestinian protests are costly and disruptive but they are overwhelmingly peaceful with only a small minority actually becoming violent or causing damage. Whilst I agree with you that the number of such protests should now be limited, you also have to factor in the right to lawful protest of course.

[baggieal]

If it could be effectively policed then I totally agree with you Al. Politics-especially those around circumstances such as the situation in Gaza-will, rightly or wrongly, always infiltrate cultural events whether that's a football match or a pop concert but the majority of fans will doubtless simply want to watch their team. The issue here is that the risk assessments carried out by the police advise that in this particular instance that the Maccabi fans should not be allowed to attend.

I can understand how some might view banning the Israeli fans from going to the game on one hand but allowing pro-Palestinian protests on the other as being an example of so called "two tier" policing but am pretty sure these decisions are based on the independent risk assessments of each situation.

Yes, the pro-Palestinian protests are costly and disruptive but they are overwhelmingly peaceful with only a small minority actually becoming violent or causing damage. Whilst I agree with you that the number of such protests should now be limited, you also have to factor in the right to lawful protest of course.

Constructive post as always Omeg but for me the supporters should be allowed to attend with measures in place. I still say had these supporters been playing Spurs or in Manchester or Leeds with very large Jewish communities then there would be not the same arguments. That Palestinian Action Group were right to be branded terrorists and they all should have been jailed. The damage at Brize Norton was a national disgrace and cost millions. Anyone supporting this group regardless of what?s going on should be rightly arrested as they are.

As the Italian Leader has said - Starmer needs to get his own house in order as he?s an embarrassment. Although he knows himself this was the wrong decision to his credit for once.

The problem with this match now is if the decision is reversed as it should all the Palestinian/leftie loonies will turn up and there will be huge provocation. Perhaps the police should coach the supporters in and in this occasion for god sake - ban any counter protests with the warning of arrests and also ban any Palestinian or Israeli flags inside the stadium. Shouldn?t be difficult.

[Dubbag]

Constructive post as always Omeg but for me the supporters should be allowed to attend with measures in place. I still say had these supporters been playing Spurs or in Manchester or Leeds with very large Jewish communities then there would be not the same arguments. That Palestinian Action Group were right to be branded terrorists and they all should have been jailed. The damage at Brize Norton was a national disgrace and cost millions. Anyone supporting this group regardless of what?s going on should be rightly arrested as they are.

As the Italian Leader has said - Starmer needs to get his own house in order as he?s an embarrassment. Although he knows himself this was the wrong decision to his credit for once.

The problem with this match now is if the decision is reversed as it should all the Palestinian/leftie loonies will turn up and there will be huge provocation. Perhaps the police should coach the supporters in and in this occasion for god sake - ban any counter protests with the warning of arrests and also ban any Palestinian or Israeli flags inside the stadium. Shouldn?t be difficult.

Hapoel supporters kicked it all off. They are huge rivals here. I am not surprised by this action. Once it was announced that Maccabi fans would be banned this was always going to happen. By the time this game came around, it was odds on that a riot would take place to throw more fuel on the fire. Think Wolves Baggies rivalry...or Celtic, Rangers. Only it's on steroids with these two...