OT Border Control State of Emergency

[Stansmate]

On the subject of the one in one out guy who?s now back - will he pay back the money he got to go 🤔

Luvvly jubbly - nice little earner !!!

[ragingpup]

The incident in Dublin makes people even more angry and there?s real ? trouble at mill ? brewing all over uk

This lot in charge don?t have any answer and don?t seem to care - just label anyone who sez enuff is enuff is far right.

Britain could well see real violence on the streets between so many different sections of the public.

Absolute shambles - would like his maj to step in as he cant be happy the way it?s all goin.

UTM

Or it could be that there are no answers that any government can legally provide to stop the numbers coming over? Instead of pushing for civil war though, we could just let the democratic process play out now that Reform (and the Tories) are wanting to pull us out of some of the legal constraints that stop us doing more, and if enough people vote for them, then you have an actual mandate to take something more like the action you want.

However, bear in mind that Reform were pushing to take such actions to prioritise reducing immigration at the last election and didn't stop the public voting for a party that wasn't prioritising immigration above and beyond all else. But if Reform get in next time, there should be less reasons to reduce immigration as you wish. God help us with everything else though judging by Kent County Council leadership's recent online performance

[animallittle3]

The Grooming Gangs Inquiry seems to be running out of legs before it starts , nobody it seems wants to go near it .

Whilst we can all make assumptions as to why certain people don't want to get involved and they will probably always be assumptions none the less the survivors of this scandal are once again getting let down by those in authority .

As though they haven't been let down and ignored enough .

This really isn't a great look , the optics are alarming to say the least and pretty consistent with this scandal on every possible level .

https://youtu.be/wKX7c_b_iV4?si=wu_z-UisXyHTBGmP

[MillerBill]

The Grooming Gangs Inquiry seems to be running out of legs before it starts , nobody it seems wants to go near it .

Whilst we can all make assumptions as to why certain people don't want to get involved and they will probably always be assumptions none the less the survivors of this scandal are once again getting let down by those in authority .

As though they haven't been let down and ignored enough .

This really isn't a great look , the optics are alarming to say the least and pretty consistent with this scandal on every possible level .

https://youtu.be/wKX7c_b_iV4?si=wu_z-UisXyHTBGmP

Animal,this is so toxic and disgusting,how this Rape gang enquiry is being covered up.I know a Rotherham fan who had to leave the town over fif**** years ago because his daughter was being ***ually abused and the authorities refused to listen to him.This is the most horrific crime the country has ever faced and we are still no nearer having a full enquiry.

[animallittle3]

Animal,this is so toxic and disgusting,how this Rape gang enquiry is being covered up.I know a Rotherham fan who had to leave the town over fif**** years ago because his daughter was being ***ually abused and the authorities refused to listen to him.This is the most horrific crime the country has ever faced and we are still no nearer having a full enquiry.

It's only my opinion of course but my take is this , firstly let's examine what we do know about the Grooming Gangs , well we know that hundreds of working class and vulnerable young girls were raped by predominantly Asian men in many towns and city's in England and possibly the UK , the vast majority of these crimes were ignored by various authorities and were covered up , the main reason offered as to why they were ignored and covered up is that many people within the system were afraid of getting called racist if they acted upon the allegations that were made .

Those allegations have over the course of time proved to be the facts , that's pretty much in the public domain and accepted as the facts by almost everyone .

So what would an Inquiry discover that isn't in the public domain ? , this in my opinion is the crux of the matter and why those in authority on this matter really don't want the new facts so to speak to enter the public domain , in short they are frightened as to what may emerge and it would appear that many people within the system don't want to be the ones to bring these new facts or findings to the public domain .

We can only speculate on what these new findings would conclude of course but clearly those within the system would rather not take a chance on that and are deliberately trying to stall the whole thing .

Anytime you see the powers that be deliberately attempt to stall or only offer an half assed hearing , the Hillsborough tragedy is a classic example you can be sure with a high degree of accuracy that they really don't want the public to know the truth .

Why they wouldn't want us to know the truth remains speculation which they can live with because speculation can be easily spun any way that suits .

The findings and the facts from an Inquiry are of course a very different matter as played out after 30 years regarding Hillsborough.

[frogmiller]

Or it could be that there are no answers that any government can legally provide to stop the numbers coming over? Instead of pushing for civil war though, we could just let the democratic process play out now that Reform (and the Tories) are wanting to pull us out of some of the legal constraints that stop us doing more, and if enough people vote for them, then you have an actual mandate to take something more like the action you want.

However, bear in mind that Reform were pushing to take such actions to prioritise reducing immigration at the last election and didn't stop the public voting for a party that wasn't prioritising immigration above and beyond all else. But if Reform get in next time, there should be less reasons to reduce immigration as you wish. God help us with everything else though judging by Kent County Council leadership's recent online performance

To be honest with you raging if Reform don?t produce then you are in the Shyte!

It is the same here! If the FN don?t produce then France will be in the same boat.

Germany have had discord and the same in Holland, Italy, Portugal, Spain so on and so on.

I don?t think that you could call it a civil war that is likely but a battle none the less.

I am n?ont sure that you are feeling the same as Joe blogs on the street. People I know here and in the UK are not as happy and are near the point of having nothing to lose.

In another year and if this is not sorted then there may well be something far worse than the poll tax riots.
Your government is losing it!

[frogmiller]

It's only my opinion of course but my take is this , firstly let's examine what we do know about the Grooming Gangs , well we know that hundreds of working class and vulnerable young girls were raped by predominantly Asian men in many towns and city's in England and possibly the UK , the vast majority of these crimes were ignored by various authorities and were covered up , the main reason offered as to why they were ignored and covered up is that many people within the system were afraid of getting called racist if they acted upon the allegations that were made .

Those allegations have over the course of time proved to be the facts , that's pretty much in the public domain and accepted as the facts by almost everyone .

So what would an Inquiry discover that isn't in the public domain ? , this in my opinion is the crux of the matter and why those in authority on this matter really don't want the new facts so to speak to enter the public domain , in short they are frightened as to what may emerge and it would appear that many people within the system don't want to be the ones to bring these new facts or findings to the public domain .

We can only speculate on what these new findings would conclude of course but clearly those within the system would rather not take a chance on that and are deliberately trying to stall the whole thing .

Anytime you see the powers that be deliberately attempt to stall or only offer an half assed hearing , the Hillsborough tragedy is a classic example you can be sure with a high degree of accuracy that they really don't want the public to know the truth .

Why they wouldn't want us to know the truth remains speculation which they can live with because speculation can be easily spun any way that suits .

The findings and the facts from an Inquiry are of course a very different matter as played out after 30 years regarding Hillsborough.

My fist observation is that you said Asian men ! Say Pakistani. Everyone knows what the reports say and what the authorities are trying to cover up

[frogmiller]

Secondly I would suggest that the findings would highlight to what extent the local governments knew and hid from the public thus leaving more vulnerable u you lung girls at risk. If this was identified early then more girls from care homes would have been protected and kept from harm.

Include the attitude of the be police forces and the direction that they were given from their supervisors which could be classed as neglect of duty to save lives and keep people safe.

The failings need to be exposed regardless of who is responsible and those perpetrators need to ne punished.

Not just the rapists but those that aided this anus act!

[ragingpup]

To be honest with you raging if Reform don?t produce then you are in the Shyte!

It is the same here! If the FN don?t produce then France will be in the same boat.

Germany have had discord and the same in Holland, Italy, Portugal, Spain so on and so on.

I don?t think that you could call it a civil war that is likely but a battle none the less.

I am n?ont sure that you are feeling the same as Joe blogs on the street. People I know here and in the UK are not as happy and are near the point of having nothing to lose.

In another year and if this is not sorted then there may well be something far worse than the poll tax riots.
Your government is losing it!

If Reform don't produce? Don't produce what? Based on policies that they have launced so far, what are they likely to produce? You can certainly say that they can offer that will use freedom from some international laws to reduce the small boats crossings and then you could say that the mass deportation of low and middle skilled migrant workers may produce a very tiny fraction in the number of black and brown faces we see in our neighbourhoods. Is that all you want them to produce? Surely as a sensible citizen, you would want them to produce a comprehensive, coherent and fully funded plan to fill the low and middle skills vacancies that would be left behind, that are essential to our lives and the economy? Where do I find this from Reform?

Totally agree there are a large number of people focused on the immigration situation who are very vocal and very unhappy. Likewise, there are a lot of people, loud and vocal on the left leaving labour to join the Green Party or whatever Corbyn's project becomes - this would be the first time that there has been a mass movement alternative to the left of the labour party (and in true left wing tradition, look like splitting each other in two just when they needed to unite! But that's another story!).

But in the midst of all of these grand statements from the right and left sides, there were 10 council elections last week - across the country, mainly in blue wall seats, but also former Labour seat of Ashton in Preston. Predictably Tories were wiped out but not by Reform but the Lib Dems! If this movement of which you speak is so prominent why weren't these voters flocking to them instead?

I think the huge issue for Reform (as it was with Corbyn's Labour) is that the closer to a general election we get to a general election, the more you have to present a whole cross section of what you intend to do (and be fairly and unfairly cross examined by media interests, some of whom hwill be protecting their own vested interests) and for the most part voters will have enough of an understanding of the fact that above all, you need people in charge who know not just how to manage one issue, but the whole economy, industry, education, health, infrastructure etc etc. Again, I agree that there are a lot of people out there that are willing to vote for Farage as much as a '**** You!' to how they feel their lives are not being taken into account with politics, and that's understandable. But I think the majority will know that things could get a lot, lot worse. Unless Reform present a more coherent, fully rounded detail of their intentions, in a way that does make sense and add up, then I suspect that they too will come apart like Corbyn, finishing off with panicked, desperate manifesto pledges that became increasingly comical.

Labour - my party you say? On a personal level, I have been a green member since the early 00s and am watching the new leader with interest. I did join labour in 2016 as well though and am still holding that, but the wife has interestingly switched her Labour membership to the greens. Both of us feel disappointed with Labour but can't say I'm surprised as Starmer showed in his leadership bid to become leader how willing he is to take whatever policy stance it takes to gaim control and power. I feel they lack true political conviction to their policies but, having read more roundedly into politics in recent years, I am in sympathy witht them, and also those conservatives before them in knowing how ridiculously hard it is to try to make everything that you want to do work, especiall when there is no clear mandate from the public to better fund what we are crying out for. This got me thinking, to be fair to Labour (and also as a nod to New Labour who I didn't like at the time but I can retrospectively give credit for achievements on some aspects) I looked up a summary of achivements against their manifesto so far:

https://fullfact.org/government-tracker/

It's boring I know, but when you look at the full, rounded deatail that goes into manage all of the things in society we take for granted, that a party puts into a manifesto and then if fortunate enough to win, has to manage the full range of things that keep things ticking, things that are mainly taken for granted, it is jaw dropping and is perhaps taken for granted by many. Maybe not by Kent County Council now! But I don't see how single issue politics (for a I can't see any other clear issues Reform are promoting) can do everything we need, any more than a Green party manifesto pledging to simply ban petrol cars and deep sea mining (not saing that's all they are promising!).

[Eternal Optimist]

All well and good, as long as we ignore the following;

Starmer is a proven liar who has successfully disenfranchised a huge swathe of traditional Labour supporters so he's blown it. Meanwhile, Jezza looks set to eat even further into the few remaining delusional Labour voters.

The Tories don't yet realise it but we're talking Dead Man Walking here.

The Greens have appointed a failed Tit-Whisperer yet they expect to be taken seriously.

Reform will win a massive majority, simply by virtue of them NOT being Labour, Tories or LibDems.

These data are already more than a month old, and the situation for the Uni-Party has worsened further since then...

https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/...ipoll_20251015