OT Corrupt BBC at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MillerBill]

It just gets worse and worse!! Been revealed that Newsnight on the BBC also used fabricated fake news in 2022. BRITISH BROADCASTING CORRUPTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eternal Optimist]

You sound surprised...

^^^

[ragingpup]

Everyone!

Climate change happens. It has done since dai one of the existence of the planet earth.

It has been hot I mean really hot and cold. Cold enough that elephants changed their name to woolly mammoths.. imagine having to grow a jumper hey?

The temperature changes on a daily basis! Where I live it can warm up as much as 30 degrees in on day!

You know what? Absolutely **** all happens until winter! Then it gets really cold!

It is said that if a volcano explodes then regardless of what the human output is it isn?t compatible to 3 or 4 large volcanos! I hope that never happens again!

Apparently the amount of extra CO2 last year lead to an increase of plant life on earth! That is the lady thing we need!

Something that thrives on CO2 cannot be good for us especially if we are proposing a plant based diet!

I?ll stop there before I stop breathing!

I wish this was correct froggie but it really isn't.

In very, very simple terms, Earth's temperature only changes very slowly, like really really slowly over 100s of years. The main periods are the Eocene period, 50 million years ago when we were a greenhouse, the ice caps were tropical and the global temp was about 24 deg centigrade. Over millions of years, and with some dips and ups on the way it fell down to the lowest point, the last Glacial period approx 22000 years ago, and since has been climbing up to the crucial and current holocene period starting around 12000 years ago where the global tem settled at around 13.8 deg and thus settled in the sweet spot that enibled life to flourish and within this temperature, between 13.8 and 14 deg global temp, human life has evolved and developed all of our existing infrastructure with only a very, very little upturn of temp from 13.8 to 14 degrees in this last 12000 years.

But then, just in the last 150 years alone, the global temperature has risen to approx 15.2 degrees!! That's a huge jump and it is demonstrably down to human activity. It's unprecedented in that space of time! No other point of history shows that level of change.

Scientists pretty much agree that we can manage this increase without huge changes in our climate experience up to about 15.5 degrees, the first 'tipping point' at which point you would start to see significant changes in climates with increases in 'wild weather' and some parts of the Earth starting to become uninhabitable due to water loss. At the current rate of change, we will hit this point in around 10 years time.

Beyond this, the next tipping point - 16 degrees, is where there would be very significant changes with melting ice sheets increasing sea levels back into the lower reaches of the Eocene period, and at this point significant parts of the hotter continents wouuld not be habitable through water loss and much of the inhabitable parts including Europe would be lost to raised sea levels.

Sorry Howdy, this isn't scaremongering, it is just waht happens when the global temperature reaches certain levels. As I said the main point is that a temperature change from 14 to 16 degrees in the space of 200 years is completely unprecedented in the natural evolution of the Earth (save natural catastrophes, and I'm sorry but even a very nasty big **** off volcano wouldn't come anything close to making this level of difference)

[ragingpup]

I don?t understand why nobody has been sacked from the Panorama team

That's a fair question and I've no idea!

[ragingpup]

https://www.share-talk.com/china-has...-in-220-years/

I think I tried to explain animal - we all know this historical poor output from China, I was just trying to explain (with some optimism) that there seems to have been a significant sea change in the last couple of years and a resultant slowing/halting of emissions output. See last Reuters link I posted (unless you have any different data to that from Reuters?)

[howdydoo]

I wish this was correct froggie but it really isn't.

In very, very simple terms, Earth's temperature only changes very slowly, like really really slowly over 100s of years. The main periods are the Eocene period, 50 million years ago when we were a greenhouse, the ice caps were tropical and the global temp was about 24 deg centigrade. Over millions of years, and with some dips and ups on the way it fell down to the lowest point, the last Glacial period approx 22000 years ago, and since has been climbing up to the crucial and current holocene period starting around 12000 years ago where the global tem settled at around 13.8 deg and thus settled in the sweet spot that enibled life to flourish and within this temperature, between 13.8 and 14 deg global temp, human life has evolved and developed all of our existing infrastructure with only a very, very little upturn of temp from 13.8 to 14 degrees in this last 12000 years.

But then, just in the last 150 years alone, the global temperature has risen to approx 15.2 degrees!! That's a huge jump and it is demonstrably down to human activity. It's unprecedented in that space of time! No other point of history shows that level of change.

Scientists pretty much agree that we can manage this increase without huge changes in our climate experience up to about 15.5 degrees, the first 'tipping point' at which point you would start to see significant changes in climates with increases in 'wild weather' and some parts of the Earth starting to become uninhabitable due to water loss. At the current rate of change, we will hit this point in around 10 years time.

Beyond this, the next tipping point - 16 degrees, is where there would be very significant changes with melting ice sheets increasing sea levels back into the lower reaches of the Eocene period, and at this point significant parts of the hotter continents wouuld not be habitable through water loss and much of the inhabitable parts including Europe would be lost to raised sea levels.

Sorry Howdy, this isn't scaremongering, it is just waht happens when the global temperature reaches certain levels. As I said the main point is that a temperature change from 14 to 16 degrees in the space of 200 years is completely unprecedented in the natural evolution of the Earth (save natural catastrophes, and I'm sorry but even a very nasty big **** off volcano wouldn't come anything close to making this level of difference)

Really not worth fretting about Raging. I get climate change is happening but the will isn't there to stop it.

I'm sure the human race will have pressed the self destruct button well before climate change destroys it.

I'm off to buy a couple of thousand acres in Greenland. Could be a good investment.

[animallittle3]

I think I tried to explain animal - we all know this historical poor output from China, I was just trying to explain (with some optimism) that there seems to have been a significant sea change in the last couple of years and a resultant slowing/halting of emissions output. See last Reuters link I posted (unless you have any different data to that from Reuters?)

It's not really my intention to have a bit of a data led gunfight raging where we search the Internet and try to prove our point with links to this , that and the other .

I'm not trying to disrespect your view either with the data links you submit , you are clearly passionate about climate change and that comes from a good place , most of the lefts views come from a good place , the problem as always is when they meet reality and very often ( not always ) they don't .

The way i see it is that the Chinese are one of if not the biggest polluter on the planet due to their huge manufacturing capability and the fact they do it cheaper and the not so small matter that they have historically not got a great record on many things , it's not likely to be earth shattering news that the Chinese aren't great environmentalists , they have the record that proves that , any slight improvement on years gone by isn't going to suddenly make them credible , they are still amongst the worst if not the worst polluters and it's highly likely they will be for the foreseeable .

Whilst Europe and the UK continues to shoot itself in the foot with forever legislation which is making us uncompetitive as I've pointed out to you in the chemical manufacturing industry .

An industry including the supply chain that employs 5 million people and one we won't have for too much longer , gone because green legislation is killing our competitiveness and our green legislation won't make a scrap of difference to climate change .

It's a hard one to take .

[ragingpup]

It's not really my intention to have a bit of a data led gunfight raging where we search the Internet and try to prove our point with links to this , that and the other .

I'm not trying to disrespect your view either with the data links you submit , you are clearly passionate about climate change and that comes from a good place , most of the lefts views come from a good place , the problem as always is when they meet reality and very often ( not always ) they don't .

The way i see it is that the Chinese are one of if not the biggest polluter on the planet due to their huge manufacturing capability and the fact they do it cheaper and the not so small matter that they have historically not got a great record on many things , it's not likely to be earth shattering news that the Chinese aren't great environmentalists , they have the record that proves that , any slight improvement on years gone by isn't going to suddenly make them credible , they are still amongst the worst if not the worst polluters and it's highly likely they will be for the foreseeable .

Whilst Europe and the UK continues to shoot itself in the foot with forever legislation which is making us uncompetitive as I've pointed out to you in the chemical manufacturing industry .

An industry including the supply chain that employs 5 million people and one we won't have for too much longer , gone because green legislation is killing our competitiveness and our green legislation won't make a scrap of difference to climate change .

It's a hard one to take .

Reasonable points as always animal.

I think you have to look at this in perspective of the global warming data I just tried to discuss above. This isn't even contested in scientific circles, it is simply what is happening to us.

We can either accept that or not. If we deny it (as Reform do, despite the evidence) and we continue on the path we're provenly going, then fair enough. Is that where you are? Do you simply deny it?

If we accept that the measurable data is correct, and the projection is a reality, then we can either 1) keep up out own efforts to invest in green infrastructure which are measurably bringing down our own carbon footprint, and then hope that China, USA, Russia also reverse their trajectory in time to avoid the worst case scenario the 16 degrees global temp that we are currently going to hit in the 2040s. Or 2) give up and aim to reverse our progress on carbon footprint by increasing fossil fuel production despite evidence that China and the other super powers moving in the right direction.

It sounds like you're in favour of 2? I'm sure you have kids/grandkids, and you've read the scientific data of where we're heading. So, is it that you simply reject the scientific data, or you just are buying shares in Greenland with Howdy?

I hope as a result of all of this, my reasons for supporting the Green Party over the years come over. You may consider it as well intentioned but not in touch with reality, but surely the reality I've explained in the above post is quite clear? Only my point of view, and I would love someone to come on and show me that I have made horrendous misreadings of the scientific global warming data above, but at what point does competing with China in a fossil fuel war of competitiveness just become a point of sticking our own heads in a noose? I guess you could say that we can improve our own economy in the next 30 years by increasing our emissions again and sealing our fate, but doesn't it seem like an empty and doomed future to consign the youngers to?

[ragingpup]

It just gets worse and worse!! Been revealed that Newsnight on the BBC also used fabricated fake news in 2022. BRITISH BROADCASTING CORRUPTION !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What's this in relation to Bill? Can't see anything different to the Trump news? What's the latest scandal from Auntie you're referring to here?

[Eternal Optimist]

What's this in relation to Bill? Can't see anything different to the Trump news? What's the latest scandal from Auntie you're referring to here?

You mean you haven't seen it reported on BBC News?