Election Year or Fear!

[swaledale]

Jeez, what farce, Labour really now aping the Tories. With an ethnic minority Home Secretary saying things and pushing a half arsed policy that if delivered by a white male politician would be considered offensive.

My greatest disappointment with Starmer is the continuation of this same old game. Half-arsed policy with focus on electoral dynamics over effectiveness. Underlying situation gets worse. Then you complain the border is out of control, when in fact it is your policymaking which has failed.

How did we get here? Where Farage, a utterly repulsive, wind bag whose only agenda is enriching himself and his billionaire backers sets the agenda. I mean despite false claims the majority of people in this country are not concerned about Asylum seekers and small boats, they are a small percentage of immigrants and again despite media and right wing social media coverage, are not responsible for the majority of crimes in the UK.

But irrespective of the misinformation pandering to those voters who are dumb enough to swallow the Reform BS, Labour are not going to attract those voters by aping Reform.

So disappointed at Labours lack of conviction. Yvette C and Starmer in opposition called out the rank ideology and opportunism behind the stop-the-boats fiasco, a narrative then, surely, for any future immigration policy to be about safe routes, fast processing of claims, deportation of those failed claims, a return to an agreement with the EU about returns that existed pre Brexit, processing claims in France (as offered by the French during Brexit talks) and tumbling net migration.

It’s not rocket science: quick processing is key to everything.

Then have a returns policy with France and let people apply from France (this should reduce the boats considerably)

If granted asylum, let them work.

If denied, send them back,

if they can’t go back, grant temporary refuge.

The Proposals outlined this week simply won't work, and Labour must know this, as the Tories did on the Rwanda idea, impractical, costly and ineffective.

We are back to performative politics, rather than ignoring the noise generated by Reform and getting on with government and introducing actual solutions, the SPADS are pushing performative events that make headlines, in the vain hope this will have an effect.

**** me, its ludicrous!

[swaledale]

Ah yes Norway with it's two trillion oil fund who basically saved its surplus north sea oil profits for future generations of the people. If only we had had such foresight rather than spunking it all away. And what have we got to show for it? **** all. Bloody economic disaster

Thatcher used it to fund her war on the miners and others and introduce the ****ed up version of economics we currently practise in the UK.

Yes Norway is an outlier to an extent, but then Sweden and Finland are also good example's of high tax economies.

I'm not claiming that these are perfect, but then is any institution, organisation or indeed personal life where human beings are involved perfect?

[MadAmster]

Thatcher used it to fund her war on the miners and others and introduce the ****ed up version of economics we currently practise in the UK.

Yes Norway is an outlier to an extent, but then Sweden and Finland are also good example's of high tax economies.

I'm not claiming that these are perfect, but then is any institution, organisation or indeed personal life where human beings are involved perfect?

Isn't Finland top of the happiest population polls just about every year?

Does that put paid to the "the rich will leave if we make them pay all the tax they should" argument?

Same argument over here. The right parties over here from right of centre to right to Wilders far right PVV all spout the "the rich will leave" line. I think it's >90% BS. The odd bod will leave but the vast majority will stay and enjoy, after an initial small dip, the increase in income/profits/dividend a fairer tax regime would bring.

[Geoff Parkstone]

Thatcher used it to fund her war on the miners and others and introduce the ****ed up version of economics we currently practise in the UK.

Yes Norway is an outlier to an extent, but then Sweden and Finland are also good example's of high tax economies.

I'm not claiming that these are perfect, but then is any institution, organisation or indeed personal life where human beings are involved perfect?

I thought Thatcher used all the money from privatisation for all those things - or was it both. I'm not sure I was expatting at the time. She did also nationalise Britoil.
Wilson had a few years to **** it up too once his government and Heath's had ****ed the economy in the early half of the 70's. In comparison to those two Starmer and Sunak seem almost competent

[SithHappens]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1j8jdpej0wo

Sounds like he was lovely as a ****ager as he is an adult.

[ramAnag]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c1j8jdpej0wo

Sounds like he was lovely as a ****ager as he is an adult.

Indeed, and comes as absolutely no surprise. Sure I’ve heard other accounts of Farage’s offensive and bullying behaviour as a school boy, but it’s probably not worth pursuing. Too easy for him to simply ask, how many of us would want to be judged on our behaviour as te enagers?
Personally I don’t doubt that the die was cast many years ago in Farage’s case, but it’s what he stands for now, not forty odd years ago, that must concern us.

[SithHappens]

Indeed, and comes as absolutely no surprise. Sure I’ve heard other accounts of Farage’s offensive and bullying behaviour as a school boy, but it’s probably not worth pursuing. Too easy for him to simply ask, how many of us would want to be judged on our behaviour as te enagers?
Personally I don’t doubt that the die was cast many years ago in Farage’s case, but it’s what he stands for now, not forty odd years ago, that must concern us.

Yep agree, adding being misogynistic and condoning rape to your rap list isn't great.

[ramAnag]

Yep agree, adding being misogynistic and condoning rape to your rap list isn't great.

Further to that, in March 2021 claims were published that Dulwich College was a ‘breeding ground for s@xual predators’ and had an ‘established rape culture’.

[SithHappens]

Further to that, in March 2021 claims were published that Dulwich College was a ‘breeding ground for s@xual predators’ and had an ‘established rape culture’.

It's a fact we've all been shafted by him, 48% involuntary so..

[Geoff Parkstone]

Yep agree, adding being misogynistic and condoning rape to your rap list isn't great.

I didn't know Farage was Muslim