OT Corrupt BBC at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ragingpup]

When Big Bad Billy Boy starts pulling his money out of the climate change scam you know the jig's up...



https://futurism.com/bill-gates-gives-up-climate-change

"Big Billy Bad Boy"??! Jeez. I think one of the most irritating features of the social media political group explosion is their shared tendency to make up shocking little names for their enemy political figures, most of which would make an adolescent 6th former cringe.

Again, you are taking one part of what is happenning here and trying to establish a very different meaning. He did not at any point use the words that your meme is quoting or suggesting, with the aim to convince your people on a footy message board (absurd isn;t it?) that he has completely changed his stance. He said ?Climate change will have serious consequences?particularly for the poorest and most vulnerable?yet it will not lead to the complete destruction of human civilization."

I think most people who look at what science is telling us would agree to this. Even with the recent spike in temperature, the effects of climate change will be slow - despite frogs best efforts, pretty much every scientist agrees that we are seeing negative impact on the world around us at the moment, which as the global climate slides towards 61.5 (1.5% above pre industrial levels) expected mid 2030s this will be more noticable with increased reductions in habitats, melting ice, raised sea levels and some hotter places currently inhabited will become less to not habitable and then on a slow sliding scale, this will progressively worsen until more substantial (and many say irreversible due to greenhouse accumulation) once we get past 62 degrees globally.

Of ocurse that in itself is not an overall global threat to humanity, but it will without the shadow of any doubt change the world we live in as we have no record of living in a global temperature that is 2% hotter than the one we have always existed in. Hence "Big Billy Bad Boy" (sighs)'s words that this climate change will have serious consequences. It it likely to force a mass movement of people from the hottest areas into cooler ones. And not sure some people on here can cope with incoming people already!

[animallittle3]

"Big Billy Bad Boy"??! Jeez. I think one of the most irritating features of the social media political group explosion is their shared tendency to make up shocking little names for their enemy political figures, most of which would make an adolescent 6th former cringe.

Again, you are taking one part of what is happenning here and trying to establish a very different meaning. He did not at any point use the words that your meme is quoting or suggesting, with the aim to convince your people on a footy message board (absurd isn;t it?) that he has completely changed his stance. He said ?Climate change will have serious consequences?particularly for the poorest and most vulnerable?yet it will not lead to the complete destruction of human civilization."

I think most people who look at what science is telling us would agree to this. Even with the recent spike in temperature, the effects of climate change will be slow - despite frogs best efforts, pretty much every scientist agrees that we are seeing negative impact on the world around us at the moment, which as the global climate slides towards 61.5 (1.5% above pre industrial levels) expected mid 2030s this will be more noticable with increased reductions in habitats, melting ice, raised sea levels and some hotter places currently inhabited will become less to not habitable and then on a slow sliding scale, this will progressively worsen until more substantial (and many say irreversible due to greenhouse accumulation) once we get past 62 degrees globally.

Of ocurse that in itself is not an overall global threat to humanity, but it will without the shadow of any doubt change the world we live in as we have no record of living in a global temperature that is 2% hotter than the one we have always existed in. Hence "Big Billy Bad Boy" (sighs)'s words that this climate change will have serious consequences. It it likely to force a mass movement of people from the hottest areas into cooler ones. And not sure some people on here can cope with incoming people already!

I see this line touted around regularly about irregular migration and climate change and to be honest , I'll be polite and say I'm sceptical .

Unless you can tell me otherwise raging I'm pretty certain that since man first came on the scene the areas of the world irregular migrants are leaving have always been extremely hot , in the summer months it's generally around 40 degrees and often 45 .

This has been the case for centuries and humans as they are when they dont know any different live with it quite easily just as they do in Siberia when it's minus 25 in winter .

Are you telling me that young men from the main irregular immigration country's suddenly wake up one morning in summertime and dread the sun rising despite not knowing any different ?

I understand young men desperate to leave poor country's for better lives in Europe , that i do get but dreaming of European rain is probably pushing it a little don't you think .

Remarkably the scorching heat of wealthy Dubai or even roasting summers on the Costa Del Sol or Portugal , Italy and Greece doesn't seem to bother them .

[frogmiller]

Where on Earth do you get your info on this from Froggie?? Most of what you say are completely and verifiably untrue:


There is more ice now although it was all supposed to melt!
FALSE. There is significantly less ice in the arctics now, especially in the Arctic which shaows 12% summer ice loss per decade since 1979. Combined with the Antarctic, Earth is missing over 2.5 million square kilometers of sea ice compared to late-20th-century averages?an area comparable to the eastern half of the United States

There are more polar bears than there have been for years!
FALSE
There are more polar bears than there have been for years! FALSE. Polar bear numbers across their territories have declined by between 40 and 50%, although some territories are stable, others are badly hit. Usually those most affected by thinning ice due toclimate change.


There is more greenery and bigger crop yields especially in bio farms.
TRUE but that is due to previously colder places warming up due to....climate change


The overall amount of floods are the same as years gone by!
FALSE. Flood related disasters have increased 180% in the two decades since 2000 when compared to 1980 - 2000

Lightening host the earth roughly the same amount of times!
FALSE. Strkes have increased by 12 - 20% since the turn of 20th century


Hurricanes still set off from the same point in Africa!
TRUE but most studies agree that climate change, with warmer areas becoming warmer and more humid means that the intensity of the hurricanes is more severe.

Whales numbers are increasing everywhere thanks to the use of so called fossil fuels.
TRUE but this is largely due to significant bans on whale hunting and other conservation and has little to do with fossil fuels.



Must do better xx

I have done better as you agreed with a lot I said.

Whales and their blubber was used in many products before including lighting, soap and many other product yet the ban on whale hunting is great everywhere bar Japan.
The vast majority of those products have been replaced by fossil fuel bi-products

The overwhelming increase in plant growth isn’t heat it is the gas of life. The more CO2 we have the better the yield.
In your argument means that heat has created more sustainable land and that means that there will be land nearer the equator being too hot to grow things in.
As the equator is the largest circumference then the colder areas which you say have warmed is a smaller surface area.

You have looked at the last 20 years or so. The earth is over a billion years old.

If lightening has increased then it means that the production of hail has increased. Without the friction it creates then it can’t form.

The earth is constantly going through climate change and fluctuations in CO2 as well as other things!

The earth is quite capable of regulating itself!

[frogmiller]

I have done better as you agreed with a lot I said.

Whales and their blubber was used in many products before including lighting, soap and many other product yet the ban on whale hunting is great everywhere bar Japan.
The vast majority of those products have been replaced by fossil fuel bi-products

The overwhelming increase in plant growth isn’t heat it is the gas of life. The more CO2 we have the better the yield.
In your argument means that heat has created more sustainable land and that means that there will be land nearer the equator being too hot to grow things in.
As the equator is the largest circumference then the colder areas which you say have warmed is a smaller surface area.

You have looked at the last 20 years or so. The earth is over a billion years old.

If lightening has increased then it means that the production of hail has increased. Without the friction it creates then it can’t form.

The earth is constantly going through climate change and fluctuations in CO2 as well as other things!

The earth is quite capable of regulating itself!

I got bored of reading about polar bears

https://thegwpf.org/content/uploads/...Bears-2023.pdf

It?ll probably be wrong 😂

[ragingpup]

I have done better as you agreed with a lot I said.

Whales and their blubber was used in many products before including lighting, soap and many other product yet the ban on whale hunting is great everywhere bar Japan.
The vast majority of those products have been replaced by fossil fuel bi-products

The overwhelming increase in plant growth isn’t heat it is the gas of life. The more CO2 we have the better the yield.
In your argument means that heat has created more sustainable land and that means that there will be land nearer the equator being too hot to grow things in.
As the equator is the largest circumference then the colder areas which you say have warmed is a smaller surface area.

You have looked at the last 20 years or so. The earth is over a billion years old.

If lightening has increased then it means that the production of hail has increased. Without the friction it creates then it can’t form.

The earth is constantly going through climate change and fluctuations in CO2 as well as other things!

The earth is quite capable of regulating itself!

The earth is constantly going through changes frog but slowly. I haven't look only at the last 20 years, here's what I wrote earlier and is the most important thing I've been trying to get over, the crux of why the current global warming spike is very different to the natural climate change you're talking about:

In very, very simple terms, Earth's temperature only changes very slowly, like really really slowly over 1000s and millions of years. The main periods are the Eocene period, 50 million years ago when we were a greenhouse, the ice caps were tropical and the global temp was about 24 deg centigrade. Over millions of years, and with some dips and ups on the way it fell down to the lowest point, the last Glacial period approx 22000 years ago, and since has been climbing up to the crucial and current holocene period starting around 12000 years ago where the global tem settled at around 13.8 deg and thus settled in the sweet spot that enibled life to flourish and within this temperature, between 13.8 and 14 deg global temp, human life has evolved and developed all of our existing infrastructure with only a very, very little upturn of temp from 13.8 to 14 degrees in this last 12000 years.

But then, just in the last 150 years alone, the global temperature has risen to approx 15.2 degrees!! That's a huge jump and it is demonstrably down to human activity. It's unprecedented in that space of time! No other point of history shows that level of change.

Scientists pretty much agree that we can manage this increase without huge changes in our climate experience up to about 15.5 degrees, the first 'tipping point' at which point you would start to see significant changes in climates with increases in 'wild weather' and some parts of the Earth starting to become uninhabitable due to water loss. At the current rate of change, we will hit this point in around 10 years time.

Beyond this, the next tipping point - 16 degrees, is where there would be very significant changes with melting ice sheets increasing sea levels back into the lower reaches of the Eocene period, and at this point significant parts of the hotter continents wouuld not be habitable through water loss and much of the inhabitable parts including Europe would be lost to raised sea levels.

As I said the main point is that a temperature change from 14 to 16 degrees in the space of 200 years is completely unprecedented in the natural evolution of the Earth (save natural catastrophes,

[ragingpup]

I see this line touted around regularly about irregular migration and climate change and to be honest , I'll be polite and say I'm sceptical .

Unless you can tell me otherwise raging I'm pretty certain that since man first came on the scene the areas of the world irregular migrants are leaving have always been extremely hot , in the summer months it's generally around 40 degrees and often 45 .

This has been the case for centuries and humans as they are when they dont know any different live with it quite easily just as they do in Siberia when it's minus 25 in winter .

Are you telling me that young men from the main irregular immigration country's suddenly wake up one morning in summertime and dread the sun rising despite not knowing any different ?

I understand young men desperate to leave poor country's for better lives in Europe , that i do get but dreaming of European rain is probably pushing it a little don't you think .

Remarkably the scorching heat of wealthy Dubai or even roasting summers on the Costa Del Sol or Portugal , Italy and Greece doesn't seem to bother them .

I think the point I am trying to make is that if the global temperate rise just a couple of degrees, it would have a notable impact on pushing these hotter places, where people can still endure and even flourish of wealthy enough to adapt infrastructure will start to become more like the hottest places on earth now, nevada deserts etc. and genuinely not fit for human life.

This sums it up well

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...rce=perplexity

[animallittle3]

I think the point I am trying to make is that if the global temperate rise just a couple of degrees, it would have a notable impact on pushing these hotter places, where people can still endure and even flourish of wealthy enough to adapt infrastructure will start to become more like the hottest places on earth now, nevada deserts etc. and genuinely not fit for human life.

This sums it up well

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...rce=perplexity

I've seen it used in the now raging as a reason for escaping hot country's for Europe .

[mygiddypant]

Raging, your perseverance is impressive.

Since Trump's mouthpiece Kellyanne Conway came up with the novelty of "alternative facts", his followers on here convince themselves

that they can invent anything and feel comfortable with the idea.

I should go and do something more interesting. Stockport are playing Posh on Sky and are losing 2-0 at h-t.

[Eternal Optimist]

"Big Billy Bad Boy"??! Jeez. I think one of the most irritating features of the social media political group explosion is their shared tendency to make up shocking little names for their enemy political figures, most of which would make an adolescent 6th former cringe...

I learned how to quote people accurately well before I reached adolescence, but never mind.

...Again, you are taking one part of what is happenning here and trying to establish a very different meaning. He did not at any point use the words that your meme is quoting or suggesting, with the aim to convince your people on a footy message board (absurd isn;t it?) that he has completely changed his stance. He said ?Climate change will have serious consequences?particularly for the poorest and most vulnerable?yet it will not lead to the complete destruction of human civilization."...

Good for him. Weird that quite a few of his fellow (unelected) "leaders" have criticised him for his comments though, eh?

I think most people who look at what science is telling us would agree to this. Even with the recent spike in temperature, the effects of climate change will be slow - despite frogs best efforts, pretty much every scientist* agrees that we are seeing negative impact on the world around us at the moment, which as the global climate slides towards 61.5 (1.5% above pre industrial levels) expected mid 2030s this will be more noticable with increased reductions in habitats, melting ice, raised sea levels and some hotter places currently inhabited will become less to not habitable and then on a slow sliding scale, this will progressively worsen until more substantial (and many say irreversible due to greenhouse accumulation) once we get past 62 degrees globally...

Did you mean to say, "...pretty much every scientist whose career, salary and future job prospects depend on propagating this myth agrees..."?

Of ocurse that in itself is not an overall global threat to humanity, but it will without the shadow of any doubt change the world we live in as we have no record of living in a global temperature that is 2% hotter than the one we have always existed in. Hence "Big Billy Bad Boy" (sighs)'s words that this climate change will have serious consequences. It it likely to force a mass movement of people from the hottest areas into cooler ones. And not sure some people on here can cope with incoming people already!

I've seen all the previous climate doom and gloom predictions dating back to the 1970's.

For the sake of your stance, it's a real shame that none of them came true. For that reason I'm inclined to think the latest batch can be safely thrown into the 'loada ballox' filing cabinet, but if you want to push that message, knock yer sen out lad. You won't convince me.

[avondalemiller]

....only 10 yrs to go then. No point TS spending millions getting to the Premiership then.

Doncaster by the Sea..................oh hold on, that's an old 'un.....