OT Corrupt BBC at it again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Eternal Optimist]

[ragingpup]

Not to be too dismissive but that degree of temperature change happens every day where I live. It starts off cool in the morning then warms up until it gets to night time again and then cools down. 😂

You won?t convince me Raging just like I won?t convince you. We will both continue to live to our life?s expectancy and then die. The next generation will do the same and the next after than and so on.
Have a great weekend.

Fair enough. Only speaking for myself but it really isn't about to change anyone's opinion, it's about trying to extract verifiable, demonstrable facts to back up their opinions.

But back to the footy, which units us. Apart of course from when it doesn't.

[frogmiller]

Fair enough. Only speaking for myself but it really isn't about to change anyone's opinion, it's about trying to extract verifiable, demonstrable facts to back up their opinions.

But back to the footy, which units us. Apart of course from when it doesn't.

You are neither my parent, teacher, child or wife and it is to those people that deserve me to verify things because it directly affects them.

That is apart from Football opinions in which case they know nowt but I do have many agreements with you 😂 or disagreements 🤭

[animallittle3]

Well, you say that but look at the temperature change in Sudan for example which has risen, progressively, year on year, by a total of 3 degrees since 1961.

I hear all the sceptics on here, EO convinced that every science writer, literally every one of the millions of them worldwide, are corrupt, but how can you argue with temperature measurements? It's that basic. You can't interpret temperature measurements, and they're out there for everyone to see. Sudan's temperature is rising quickly, as are other similar countries and surely it's not hard to see where that's heading in the next century and beyond. It really is very, very basic. No theory needed, just look at the temperature in each country year on year for the last 50 to 100 years. Then think of how that equates to the harshest hot places on earth at the moment (death valley etc) and look at how long it will take currently populated countries to reach that heat of current rising levels are maintained. It's that simple.

Do the young men of Sudan have asylum applications accepted on the basis that Sudan is hotter than it was in 1961 raging ?

[ragingpup]

Do the young men of Sudan have asylum applications accepted on the basis that Sudan is hotter than it was in 1961 raging ?

I'm not aware of any asylum applications based on heat animal. At least not successful ones. But if that rise continues, it will likely start to happen from their and similar places in the next 100 years.

I went to an education convention today and there was a wonderful writer from Iceland whose grans and grandads used to work in glacier science out there and noted that in their lifetime leading to their recent death they chronicled and photographed local glaciers.

Their most local glacier (named 'Ok' finally disappeared in 2019, like completely and a local person created a memorial plate which read:


A Letter to the Future

OK is the first Icelandic glacier to lose its status as a glacier
In the next 200 years all our glaciers are expected to follow the same path
This monument is to acknowledge that we know
what is happening and what needs to be done.
Only you know if we did it

[animallittle3]

I'm not aware of any asylum applications based on heat animal. At least not successful ones. But if that rise continues, it will likely start to happen from their and similar places in the next 100 years.

I went to an education convention today and there was a wonderful writer from Iceland whose grans and grandads used to work in glacier science out there and noted that in their lifetime leading to their recent death they chronicled and photographed local glaciers.

Their most local glacier (named 'Ok' finally disappeared in 2019, like completely and a local person created a memorial plate which read:


A Letter to the Future

OK is the first Icelandic glacier to lose its status as a glacier
In the next 200 years all our glaciers are expected to follow the same path
This monument is to acknowledge that we know
what is happening and what needs to be done.
Only you know if we did it

So you would agree with me then that climate change as of today is driving irregular immigration from country's such as Sudan is a bogus claim made by the progressive liberal class ?

It would have to be a bogus claim giving that asylum can't be offered on the basis of predicting the weather in Sudan a hundred years from now .

[howdydoo]

Many predictions made in the 1970s did not happen, including the collapse of civilization, widespread mass starvation by the 1990s, the depletion of all major metal reserves by 2000, and the onset of a new ice age by the year 2000. These were often driven by fears of overpopulation, pollution, and resource depletion.
Environmental and resource predictions
A new ice age: Some scientists in the 1970s predicted a new ice age would begin by the year 2000, based on the global temperature drop observed between 1945 and 1968.
Metal depletion: A 1970s estimate by a National Academy of Sciences scientist suggested that humanity would run out of copper shortly after 2000, while lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.
Mass extinction of species: A prediction from the secretary of the Smithsonian Institute suggested that 75-80% of all animal species would be extinct within 25 years (by 1995).
Overpopulation and starvation
Worldwide starvation: Some experts predicted that widespread famine would begin in India by 1975 and spread to other parts of the world by 1990, with the entire world, except for Western Europe, North America, and Australia, in famine by 2000.
Mass death in the "Great Die-Off": Paul Ehrlich predicted that a "Great Die-Off" would cause the deaths of 4 billion people between 1980 and 1989.
Collapse of civilization
End of civilization: Some scientists predicted the end of civilization within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action was taken on environmental issues.

[ragingpup]

Many predictions made in the 1970s did not happen, including the collapse of civilization, widespread mass starvation by the 1990s, the depletion of all major metal reserves by 2000, and the onset of a new ice age by the year 2000. These were often driven by fears of overpopulation, pollution, and resource depletion.
Environmental and resource predictions
A new ice age: Some scientists in the 1970s predicted a new ice age would begin by the year 2000, based on the global temperature drop observed between 1945 and 1968.
Metal depletion: A 1970s estimate by a National Academy of Sciences scientist suggested that humanity would run out of copper shortly after 2000, while lead, zinc, tin, gold, and silver would be gone before 1990.
Mass extinction of species: A prediction from the secretary of the Smithsonian Institute suggested that 75-80% of all animal species would be extinct within 25 years (by 1995).
Overpopulation and starvation
Worldwide starvation: Some experts predicted that widespread famine would begin in India by 1975 and spread to other parts of the world by 1990, with the entire world, except for Western Europe, North America, and Australia, in famine by 2000.
Mass death in the "Great Die-Off": Paul Ehrlich predicted that a "Great Die-Off" would cause the deaths of 4 billion people between 1980 and 1989.
Collapse of civilization
End of civilization: Some scientists predicted the end of civilization within 15 or 30 years unless immediate action was taken on environmental issues.

Mostly true but none of these had any kind of consensus amongst environmental scientists. Even the predictions of an ice age were only shared by a small number of scientists.

And to put this into perspective, at the time of these predictions, the Earth had cooled just 0.1 - 0.2%, a tiny fraction. Even since then the global temp has risen by between 1.0 and 1.2%. It's a completely unprecidented speed of warming. Even the last major period of global temperature change, The Little Ice Age between 1400 and 1900 was approximately a 1.1% dip in global temp (in the Northern heasphere) but as happens with global cycles, it was slow, over 500 years to make this fall and rise again. Whereas we have driven the rise of 1.0% and 1.2% in the last 50 years alone.

And crucially, completely at odds with the single and minority quack claims that were published and that you are referring to, between 90 and 97% of publishing scientists agree that the data showing the rise is correct (how can they not, it's a measurement?!) and that it is a rapid change caused by human activity. Where there is disagreement is the future: a minority (probably not helpfully) say that there will b e major upheavals and devastation to human life within 50 years whereas I think most agree that it will cause a very steady and slowly rising negative impact on human life as we hit the 2% above pre industrial levels, mainly through moving populations as some places get too hot and coastal areas slowly are affected by rising sea levels. This will likely take around 200 - 300 years to get to this place but, and it's only my opiniion, if we do have the power to reduce carbon emissions (which in fairness is happening in many places and is a slowly increasing trend which is already showing signs of reducing carbon outputs) I think it important to do so, as there is so reason why a rise like this will naturally reverse. The nature of greenhouse effects is the opposite, it tends to get faster.

[howdydoo]

All you do is rabbit. I see there's been no agreement on fossil fuel at Cop 30 today.

All you do is scream 'I want evidence' and keep quoting Reuters and Co?

All your sources are owned by billionaires. Look at media as the modern bible and step back.

Some people have gone too far and see everything as a conspiracy theory.

There's no doubt climate change is going on but you and all the science doesn't know what the planet will look like in decades time.

Artificial intelligence and technology is advancing at rapid pace.

Your friends China are at the forefront. They are producing sources of green energy at a rate far in advance of everyone else. All on the back of a massive focus on fossil fuel production.

Do you care at what cost? It's reported Uyghur Muslims are being exploited into forced labour to make solar panels. Do human rights only apply to every Tom, Dick and Harry who enter the UK these days?

It appears Ed Miliband and our wonderful government thinks so.

Do we know what we are going to do with old EV batteries and wind turbines when they're spent? I've heard the odd rumour the manufacture and disposal of these green energy sources are not as green as our 'sincere' politicians might want us to believe.

There's enough hardware on the planet that can wipe the earth out in a jiffy. Stop worrying about what might happen in 100 years time. Live for now and look after your own.

Stop being a puppet.

[avondalemiller]

All you do is rabbit. I see there's been no agreement on fossil fuel at Cop 30 today.

All you do is scream 'I want evidence' and keep quoting Reuters and Co?

All your sources are owned by billionaires. Look at media as the modern bible and step back.

Some people have gone too far and see everything as a conspiracy theory.

There's no doubt climate change is going on but you and all the science doesn't know what the planet will look like in decades time.

Artificial intelligence and technology is advancing at rapid pace.

Your friends China are at the forefront. They are producing sources of green energy at a rate far in advance of everyone else. All on the back of a massive focus on fossil fuel production.

Do you care at what cost? It's reported Uyghur Muslims are being exploited into forced labour to make solar panels. Do human rights only apply to every Tom, Dick and Harry who enter the UK these days?

It appears Ed Miliband and our wonderful government thinks so.

Do we know what we are going to do with old EV batteries and wind turbines when they're spent? I've heard the odd rumour the manufacture and disposal of these green energy sources are not as green as our 'sincere' politicians might want us to believe.

There's enough hardware on the planet that can wipe the earth out in a jiffy. Stop worrying about what might happen in 100 years time. Live for now and look after your own.

Stop being a puppet.

Howdy, stop it, he'll be up all night surfing the internet for some evidence to prove you wrong..................utm.