Wee bit of perspective

[Returnofrros]

Won as many games as anyone in btm 6 bar Falkirk.

With 4 pts out of last 5 games actually have better form than most in btm 6.

Only really utd have scored significantly more goals than us ( 6 more )

Don't get the total gloom and doom on the park, nelms and how club is run....yes.

Doon by Xmas, isolated by Xmas, sacked by Xmas.....none has or will happen.

We are certainly in a battle to stay up but I'd suggest so are at least 5 clubs.....as is always the case.

[Returnofrros]

Just to add we aren't " clear favs to finish btm" as is suggested elsewhere.

Livvy evns
Dee 7/4
Killie 4/1

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Won as many games as anyone in btm 6 bar Falkirk.

With 4 pts out of last 5 games actually have better form than most in btm 6.

Only really utd have scored significantly more goals than us ( 6 more )

Don't get the total gloom and doom on the park, nelms and how club is run....yes.

Doon by Xmas, isolated by Xmas, sacked by Xmas.....none has or will happen.

We are certainly in a battle to stay up but I'd suggest so are at least 5 clubs.....as is always the case.

And I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than watch Pressley ball. That's the worst thing about it, the sh1te we're having to endure. Then there's the soft as ****e, no tackling, try not to get hurt approach of the players to make it worse.

Yes, the club's a complete shambles top to bottom under Nelms and what we're seeing on the field is no better and is a direct consequence of his lack of any idea how to run a football club.

[Returnofrros]

And I'd rather stick pins in my eyes than watch Pressley ball. That's the worst thing about it, the sh1te we're having to endure. Then there's the soft as ****e, no tackling, try not to get hurt approach of the players to make it worse.

Yes, the club's a complete shambles top to bottom under Nelms and what we're seeing on the field is no better and is a direct consequence of his lack of any idea how to run a football club.

Not specifically you....but

How many dundee fans wanted us to ****fest our way to survival the next few years ....plenty on Pravda and elsewhere.

How many Dundee fans were jealous when Goodwin was ****festing his way to top 4.

Now admittedly I'm no going at the moment but that might change when I come home especially if D4L actually start representing.

Deeranged.....grown men talking about blocking buses and asking ultras ( 10 to 14 year olds ) to risk life bans...

At least they are waking up to Nelms but I honestly don't believe Elvis is the biggest problem.

[Returnofrros]

Will add though a lot of the really negative stuff on Pravda is stirred up and perpetuated by obvious Dabs.....but I think you can see that.

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Not specifically you....but

How many dundee fans wanted us to ****fest our way to survival the next few years ....plenty on Pravda and elsewhere.

How many Dundee fans were jealous when Goodwin was ****festing his way to top 4.

Now admittedly I'm no going at the moment but that might change when I come home especially if D4L actually start representing.

Deeranged.....grown men talking about blocking buses and asking ultras ( 10 to 14 year olds ) to risk life bans...

At least they are waking up to Nelms but I honestly don't believe Elvis is the biggest problem.

Pressley definitely isn't the biggest problem, we all know where the bigger problems are. Notwithstanding however I don't want Pressley as manager of Dundee FC; I also worry about who would come in if he was sacked given who will make the appointment and that very few worth their salt would want to work under him.

I'd like to see a wee protest, tennis balls or whatever, it would be a waste of time of course but it would be good to see the younger fans letting Nelms know his running of the club into the ground just isn't acceptable.

They wouldn't get any life bans but Nelms is so petty they would most likely not be allowed to renew season tickets in the same seats sitting all together next season. And DSA would probably be told they're having their right to get tickets for their non season ticket holders ahead of season ticket holders removed.

[GB72]

Was through yesterday, thought we were pretty decent for most of the first half in horrendous conditions, deservedly went in 0-2 ahead, but everyone with half a brain, would know how difficult the 2nd half was going to be, did we sit too deep yes, does the keeper need to do more to help his defence yes, but a back 4 of players of 22 and under that finished the game shows how inexperienced we are at the back.

The atmosphere in the stands is toxic however, can?t understand why people want to go to games and openly abuse players especially when we are winning, it?s like some were praying for a Livi winner to vent even more anger at the players and of course the manager.

Seeing on twitter that some have us a mid table championship side, in that case isn?t Elvis doing an ok job with the tools at his disposal, compare that to the guy who had mulligan Cameron Sylla lackereche McGhee shaunessy Portales etc etc, then maybe if the fans were less toxic and more supportive, we might have just got over the line yesterday.

Elvis can definitely help himself a bit more, but we won?t have a chance if the abuse continues from the stands

[BCram]

Was through yesterday, thought we were pretty decent for most of the first half in horrendous conditions, deservedly went in 0-2 ahead, but everyone with half a brain, would know how difficult the 2nd half was going to be, did we sit too deep yes, does the keeper need to do more to help his defence yes, but a back 4 of players of 22 and under that finished the game shows how inexperienced we are at the back.

The atmosphere in the stands is toxic however, can?t understand why people want to go to games and openly abuse players especially when we are winning, it?s like some were praying for a Livi winner to vent even more anger at the players and of course the manager.

Seeing on twitter that some have us a mid table championship side, in that case isn?t Elvis doing an ok job with the tools at his disposal, compare that to the guy who had mulligan Cameron Sylla lackereche McGhee shaunessy Portales etc etc, then maybe if the fans were less toxic and more supportive, we might have just got over the line yesterday.

Elvis can definitely help himself a bit more, but we won?t have a chance if the abuse continues from the stands

Good points. I don't think helping the team to win games by supporting them on the pitch is a bad thing, as has been suggested elsewhere.

D4L should try to raise funds for DFC projects that obviously benefit the players. Bit of asking how much 1893 Foundation has generated might help.