Ok, not football at all, but it matters, eventually.

[ozleeds]

I believe the US is withdrawing from WHO due to its failure to investigate the Covid pandemic. Not really sure how make a stronger statement than that.

The reality is that when the world needed quick investigation and cooperation on the outbreak in wuhan from the Chinese they did nothing. It?s a toothless organization that did nothing when it was most needed.

That sounds like the EU all over

[WTF11]

I believe the US is withdrawing from WHO due to its failure to investigate the Covid pandemic. Not really sure how make a stronger statement than that.

The reality is that when the world needed quick investigation and cooperation on the outbreak in wuhan from the Chinese they did nothing. It?s a toothless organization that did nothing when it was most needed.

And? So the USA withdraw from the one organisation that might, just, have the global reach to investigate, rather than making it clear as the largest contributor to WHO and remaining as such, that they MUST step up.

Makes it less likely that any investigation will take place.

[WTF11]

That sounds like the EU all over

Just to help you out there, the WORLD HEALTH ORGANISATION is based in Geneva, Switzerland, with resources provided by governments across the globe (now withiut the USA of course).

Switzerland is NOT part of the EU.

Just saying.

[spaldy]

Even if I agreed with even a small amount of the nonesense generated by the conspiracy theorists, which i obviously don't, answer me this.....

With not a single government of ANY stripe giving even the smallest scintilla of attention and resource to the questions you ask, just how are any of them going to be answered?

Unless the nin-existent global conspiracy you put forward can be regenerated and this time to find those answers, you and those of the same view are blowing in the wind.

Since you are rather fond of correcting posters on inconsequential items such as Switzerland not being EU. They are a money laundering scheme so they can't take sides on anything. You also seem very fond of ranting about trump items such as hookers urinating on him in moscow along with the 1000 other stories that make a spash on the headlines and then are quietly corrected in the 18th page in the smallest font the paper has.

Allow me to correct this post. It's actually a big one and something that affected the entire world and established a new world order that we may never recover from. The debt alone from Covid will bankrupt future generations for many countries.

It's not a "consipiracy" when something is proving factual. I have no idea what you are on about regarding Covid. It's been established that it broke out of a lab in Wuhan and the chinese covered it up. It's also been all but proven that it did not arise our of a mutation of some animal or bat as the chinese propaganda stated.

The other points on my post are rather easy to verify.

Most damning is your inability to understand the level of evil and depravity this scam perpetuated on humanity. It's a crime against humanity that pales against anything short of the holocaust. A generation or children were scarred emotionally and academically. Trust in world organizations and governments damaged or eliminated and freedoms lost that will never be regained throughout anything but bloodshed and war. The damage to the media and "journalists" is profound. Trust is at an all time low and they are little more that mouthpieces for what their employer tells them to say/write. They are being replaced by social media and the internet which is not good for anyone.

Perhaps the most immediate impact is on the medical profession. Many people were badly damaged by the vaccines and have lifetime damage that will never recover from. Even to this day the vaccines have never been approved by many countries certifiers (FDA in the US) and still hiding behind their absolute waiver of any liability even when damages are proven. The trust lost in the system, which is universal, may never be regained. Doctors, once held in the highest esteem, are perceived as little different than a politician or lawyer. They are a tool of our rulers and forced injections on all of us... especially young children who got little more than the sniffles when exposed.

Your hatred of Trump has clouded your ability to identify whats really important. I'm really glad that the people in charge after WW2 didn't take the posture of "moving on" and just overlook the crime against humanity that the Nazis were. The impact from Covid is almost as bad as that was and will have a world wide impact just like WW2 did.

[spaldy]

On a lesser note. I think you'll find that the US pulling out of the WHO will have a much bigger impact that you purport. I realize many don't give a hoot about the US but everyone want's our money. When it's time to pony up with money everyone seems to get T rex arms real fast. I am f*(&^ng sick and tired of paying my tax dollars (40%+) due to this crap. My share of the US debt load is over $320,000. A good sized chunk of that debt is on fraud, corruption and clown shows like the WHO and the UN along with the crazed regulation and mandates foisted on us.

Rant and hate on all you want but when the US pulls out of funding it gets real serious really fast. In case you are so detached you and your US friends can't figure it out. Trump is a manifestation of dissatisfaction of what occurred in Covid and the previous regime that lorded over us in a make believe world of governance. They were even more extreme than our current ruler.

[WTF11]

Since you are rather fond of correcting posters on inconsequential items such as Switzerland not being EU. They are a money laundering scheme so they can't take sides on anything. You also seem very fond of ranting about trump items such as hookers urinating on him in moscow along with the 1000 other stories that make a spash on the headlines and then are quietly corrected in the 18th page in the smallest font the paper has.

Allow me to correct this post. It's actually a big one and something that affected the entire world and established a new world order that we may never recover from. The debt alone from Covid will bankrupt future generations for many countries.

It's not a "consipiracy" when something is proving factual. I have no idea what you are on about regarding Covid. It's been established that it broke out of a lab in Wuhan and the chinese covered it up. It's also been all but proven that it did not arise our of a mutation of some animal or bat as the chinese propaganda stated.

The other points on my post are rather easy to verify.

Most damning is your inability to understand the level of evil and depravity this scam perpetuated on humanity. It's a crime against humanity that pales against anything short of the holocaust. A generation or children were scarred emotionally and academically. Trust in world organizations and governments damaged or eliminated and freedoms lost that will never be regained throughout anything but bloodshed and war. The damage to the media and "journalists" is profound. Trust is at an all time low and they are little more that mouthpieces for what their employer tells them to say/write. They are being replaced by social media and the internet which is not good for anyone.

Perhaps the most immediate impact is on the medical profession. Many people were badly damaged by the vaccines and have lifetime damage that will never recover from. Even to this day the vaccines have never been approved by many countries certifiers (FDA in the US) and still hiding behind their absolute waiver of any liability even when damages are proven. The trust lost in the system, which is universal, may never be regained. Doctors, once held in the highest esteem, are perceived as little different than a politician or lawyer. They are a tool of our rulers and forced injections on all of us... especially young children who got little more than the sniffles when exposed.

Your hatred of Trump has clouded your ability to identify whats really important. I'm really glad that the people in charge after WW2 didn't take the posture of "moving on" and just overlook the crime against humanity that the Nazis were. The impact from Covid is almost as bad as that was and will have a world wide impact just like WW2 did.

I ask again (you failed to answer), who, or what will be able to mount the kind of investigation you and others appear to want?

I agree with you regarding how big an impact the withdrawal of the USA and the funds it gave to WHO, but that withdrawal reduces WHO capabilities and hence the likelihood of any action on their part.

My feelings towards Trump isn't in the slightest clouding my view if his actions. My suggestion of "moving on" reflects EXACTLY what happened at the end of WWII, where the war crimes trials brought the Nazi criminals to justice AND THE MARSHALL PLAN SHOWED THE WAY FORWARD, not the vindictive and ultimately counter-productive actions of the victors of WW1, which led inevitably to the roots of WWII.

[WTF11]

Since you are rather fond of correcting posters on inconsequential items such as Switzerland not being EU. They are a money laundering scheme so they can't take sides on anything. You also seem very fond of ranting about trump items such as hookers urinating on him in moscow along with the 1000 other stories that make a spash on the headlines and then are quietly corrected in the 18th page in the smallest font the paper has.

Allow me to correct this post. It's actually a big one and something that affected the entire world and established a new world order that we may never recover from. The debt alone from Covid will bankrupt future generations for many countries.

It's not a "consipiracy" when something is proving factual. I have no idea what you are on about regarding Covid. It's been established that it broke out of a lab in Wuhan and the chinese covered it up. It's also been all but proven that it did not arise our of a mutation of some animal or bat as the chinese propaganda stated.

The other points on my post are rather easy to verify.

Most damning is your inability to understand the level of evil and depravity this scam perpetuated on humanity. It's a crime against humanity that pales against anything short of the holocaust. A generation or children were scarred emotionally and academically. Trust in world organizations and governments damaged or eliminated and freedoms lost that will never be regained throughout anything but bloodshed and war. The damage to the media and "journalists" is profound. Trust is at an all time low and they are little more that mouthpieces for what their employer tells them to say/write. They are being replaced by social media and the internet which is not good for anyone.

Perhaps the most immediate impact is on the medical profession. Many people were badly damaged by the vaccines and have lifetime damage that will never recover from. Even to this day the vaccines have never been approved by many countries certifiers (FDA in the US) and still hiding behind their absolute waiver of any liability even when damages are proven. The trust lost in the system, which is universal, may never be regained. Doctors, once held in the highest esteem, are perceived as little different than a politician or lawyer. They are a tool of our rulers and forced injections on all of us... especially young children who got little more than the sniffles when exposed.

Your hatred of Trump has clouded your ability to identify whats really important. I'm really glad that the people in charge after WW2 didn't take the posture of "moving on" and just overlook the crime against humanity that the Nazis were. The impact from Covid is almost as bad as that was and will have a world wide impact just like WW2 did.

Btw, try finding ANY post from me regarding urinating hookers, on Trump or anyone else and/or anywhere else.

[WTF11]

Since you are rather fond of correcting posters on inconsequential items such as Switzerland not being EU. They are a money laundering scheme so they can't take sides on anything. You also seem very fond of ranting about trump items such as hookers urinating on him in moscow along with the 1000 other stories that make a spash on the headlines and then are quietly corrected in the 18th page in the smallest font the paper has.

Allow me to correct this post. It's actually a big one and something that affected the entire world and established a new world order that we may never recover from. The debt alone from Covid will bankrupt future generations for many countries.

It's not a "consipiracy" when something is proving factual. I have no idea what you are on about regarding Covid. It's been established that it broke out of a lab in Wuhan and the chinese covered it up. It's also been all but proven that it did not arise our of a mutation of some animal or bat as the chinese propaganda stated.

The other points on my post are rather easy to verify.

Most damning is your inability to understand the level of evil and depravity this scam perpetuated on humanity. It's a crime against humanity that pales against anything short of the holocaust. A generation or children were scarred emotionally and academically. Trust in world organizations and governments damaged or eliminated and freedoms lost that will never be regained throughout anything but bloodshed and war. The damage to the media and "journalists" is profound. Trust is at an all time low and they are little more that mouthpieces for what their employer tells them to say/write. They are being replaced by social media and the internet which is not good for anyone.

Perhaps the most immediate impact is on the medical profession. Many people were badly damaged by the vaccines and have lifetime damage that will never recover from. Even to this day the vaccines have never been approved by many countries certifiers (FDA in the US) and still hiding behind their absolute waiver of any liability even when damages are proven. The trust lost in the system, which is universal, may never be regained. Doctors, once held in the highest esteem, are perceived as little different than a politician or lawyer. They are a tool of our rulers and forced injections on all of us... especially young children who got little more than the sniffles when exposed.

Your hatred of Trump has clouded your ability to identify whats really important. I'm really glad that the people in charge after WW2 didn't take the posture of "moving on" and just overlook the crime against humanity that the Nazis were. The impact from Covid is almost as bad as that was and will have a world wide impact just like WW2 did.

And hating Trump is an increasingly frequently expressed emotion, ask any member of non-USA NATO armed forces, whether they served alongside US forces in Afghanistan or not.

[spaldy]

You are correct on my not answering what I would do and I generally try to present an answer to anything I'm complaining about. Doesn't mean I'm right or demanding my course of action. Just taught that before I complain make sure it's a complaint that can be addressed.

The fact is that the whole key to covid runs through wuhan. We learn nothing until we learn how it developed and then started. It's totally reasonable to require a country that a pandemic starts in to allow a full and complete investigation. Generally that's just a matter of a virus mutating or changing and then breaking out. It can be established and verified. Viruses, Bacteria and fungi all have periodic outbreaks. Some or much more lethal than others (Hong Kong, H1N1 and swine flu to name a few) and a forensic study is done to see what could be done to prevent that in the future. Not an exercise in finger pointing but a study on prevention (if possible).

This has not occurred at all in this case. First time in modern history. It's also a lab that modifies and studies viruses. It's a serious, serious matter. The next incident might be the one that wipes out our species. Personally, I can't see any reason why you mutate viruses for any reason other than bio weapons or mass extinction of a ethnic or age group. Sure would be convenient for Xi if he could wipe out the Uighurs or elderly with a virus.

The obvious first step is cutting them out of all world organizations such as WHO, UN and most importantly the World Trade organization. It's a matter of degrees. Many people, including trump, say that's "too far" and could lead to world hostilities. It is an act of economic warfare but if you aren't going to make a country comply with basic rules regarding world health and pandemics the that country is already at war with the world anyway. The next release can and will likely be worse. They showed absolutely no concern for their own people much less than any of the rest of the world. Frankly, I think the allowance of infected Wuhan residents to leave the country for travel elsewhere in the world but not in their own country was a crime against humanity that was a clear cut as any in my lifetime.

Doing nothing is not really an option as is normally the case when you are dealing with ruthless dictators. Stand your ground or lose worse the next time.

[WTF11]

You are correct on my not answering what I would do and I generally try to present an answer to anything I'm complaining about. Doesn't mean I'm right or demanding my course of action. Just taught that before I complain make sure it's a complaint that can be addressed.

The fact is that the whole key to covid runs through wuhan. We learn nothing until we learn how it developed and then started. It's totally reasonable to require a country that a pandemic starts in to allow a full and complete investigation. Generally that's just a matter of a virus mutating or changing and then breaking out. It can be established and verified. Viruses, Bacteria and fungi all have periodic outbreaks. Some or much more lethal than others (Hong Kong, H1N1 and swine flu to name a few) and a forensic study is done to see what could be done to prevent that in the future. Not an exercise in finger pointing but a study on prevention (if possible).

This has not occurred at all in this case. First time in modern history. It's also a lab that modifies and studies viruses. It's a serious, serious matter. The next incident might be the one that wipes out our species. Personally, I can't see any reason why you mutate viruses for any reason other than bio weapons or mass extinction of a ethnic or age group. Sure would be convenient for Xi if he could wipe out the Uighurs or elderly with a virus.

The obvious first step is cutting them out of all world organizations such as WHO, UN and most importantly the World Trade organization. It's a matter of degrees. Many people, including trump, say that's "too far" and could lead to world hostilities. It is an act of economic warfare but if you aren't going to make a country comply with basic rules regarding world health and pandemics the that country is already at war with the world anyway. The next release can and will likely be worse. They showed absolutely no concern for their own people much less than any of the rest of the world. Frankly, I think the allowance of infected Wuhan residents to leave the country for travel elsewhere in the world but not in their own country was a crime against humanity that was a clear cut as any in my lifetime.

Doing nothing is not really an option as is normally the case when you are dealing with ruthless dictators. Stand your ground or lose worse the next time.

And again I ask, who will "cut them (the Chinese)" out of any of the organisation's you refer to?

Who will make them "comply with basic rules regarding world health"?

And just what is "stand your ground etc etc...." meant to imply? Who/what are you referring to?

If none of your demands can be actioned, what is the point of them, other than to assuage your frustration at being as powerless as the rest of the little people?

The USA has great influence and could have much more if it's leadership (not just Trump), had the faintest idea as to how to genuinely and productively leverage its power. All that the current leadership "knows" at present is how to insult, bully, bribe and behave like a spoilt child, taking it's ball home because it doesn't like how things are turning out.